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  • Polity: Four cents on Brexit, Fonterra,…,

    I don't see how "not less favourable to trade" applies. NZ hasn't had a free trade agreement with Britain since 1973? It has one with the EU, which is a different entity.

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit,

    I don't quite understand the "not punish" thing? If the EU allows UK-based corporates continued free access to sell goods and services into Europe without complying with EU laws and regulations, then they'll be "punishing" everybody in mainland Europe by undermining their labour and environmental standards.

    (At the moment, anyone can buy a car in the UK and import it to a mainland EU country without paperwork. A warehouse or factory can ship a container of goods through to anywhere in the EU without it being opened or inspected, That relies on having common standards. Equally, British-based banks can operate in the EU supervised to an agreed standard by the Bank of England.
    When the UK leaves, all that is gone (without an EEA-type agreement to replace it).)

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  • Polity: Four cents on Brexit, Fonterra,…, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Well yeah. And often, if purchasing government ministers ask nicely, they can find their personal bank accounts get nicely filled up by arms companies:
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_bribery_scandals
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal

    Not that any NZ politicians would engage in such shenanigans, unlike some of their UK counterparts.

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to John Palethorpe,

    2015 general election:
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Sunderland_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houghton_and_Sunderland_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunderland_Central_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    UKIP were 30 odd percent behind Labour, even where they came second. And once the redundancy notices start going out from Nissan, I think they’ll be even less popular.

    Not that Labour should be complacent, but I think a strong lead based on staying in European and reforming it to support working people might let them hold onto their base.

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to John Palethorpe,

    UKIP would have trouble unseating Labour in safe northern seats:
    - they’re basically disgruntled Tories. The UK votes largely on class lines
    - they don’t have any organisation
    - they’d cannibalise the Tory vote first
    - British (south) Asians would never vote for them

    I think they’d struggle to get a hundred seats

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  • Polity: Four cents on Brexit, Fonterra,…,

    Also, Britain produces a lot of milk. Given they won't have EU access, EU subsidies or EU quotas it's likely that they'll want to protect their own farmers ahead of importing anything.

    And it's not like the UK makes anything we can offer to buy in return - their car and civil aircraft industries will be shutting down and in any case since NZ's starting offer is full market access to all comers, we don't actually have any negotiating chips.

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    An interesting process question - membership of the EU is implemented by the European Communities Act, which will have to be repealed.

    Does this have to be done before the UK gives notice to quit? And is the EU entitled to demand that, since the UK's constitution requires a vote of parliament, that such a vote take place?

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit,

    Which is why the “Ha ha, death throes of neoliberalism” response annoys me.

    Well the UK has had three flavours of "social market" rule in the last 20 years: Blairite Labour, Tory/Liberal and Tory. None of those have been notably successful in addressing peoples needs (and the same thing has happened in the rest of the EU).

    Isn't it time for the Left to work something out? (well, electing Corbyn was a start. I hope he holds on, even if it means that most of the PLP get cast adrift - the story of the SDP indicates they would be MPs for the next three years at the most).

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to BenWilson,

    Well, any attempt to intervene could well end in whichever fragments of the UK remained declaring themselves a republic, so I doubt she would. (Not to mention that the Battle of Bosworth Field pretty much established the monarchy's subordination to parliament, if not the people).

    Besides, if all else fails, she'll still be queen of NZ. We'd need to build palaces of they move down here though. Fuck knows how we'll afford that at current prices.

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  • Speaker: A Disorderly Brexit, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    Otherwise, oye. I’ve never felt so ashamed of my UK passport

    I'm wondering if I can get NZ elocution lessons so I don't sound stupid in public.

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