Posts by Scott Chris
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Hard News: The Very Worst, in reply to Craig Ranapia,
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funny how the strident "let 'em stew in their own shit" brigade aren't quite so militant when white, middle-class Anzacs find themselves on the receiving end of that kind of penology in places like Bangkwang Central Prison
Notwithstanding the emotion driven rationale of the intolerants, if behavioural reconditioning is still seen as a viable outcome of corrective incarceration then I'm not sure inmates living conditions shouldn't be used as both carrot and stick.
Whatever works best given our limited resources and the limited effectiveness of rehabilitation programs. (aside from early and arguably invasive intervention which makes the most sense to me within the context of society as it stands)
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Hard News: The Very Worst, in reply to 3410,
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We don't send people to prison so that they can be punished there. The denial of liberty *is* the punishment.
So what's the diff?
Edit: I guess I'm being a little obtuse, but I'm not sure the point Robertson was making was clearly shown in what he was quoted as saying. And how far does your right to liberty extend? (ie is freedom to live life comfortably also a right you should lose when sent to prison?)
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The cold hard truth is that for many New Zealanders they believe that people are sent to prison for punishment rather than as a punishment.
I must be thick. What's the diff?
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Hard News: Belief Media, in reply to Martin Lindberg,
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Still, the differences between a) Orthodox and Catholic churches and b) Catholic and Protestant are really only of interest if you are debating any of the areas where those churches do not agree.
Reminds of this:
A Christian was walking across a bridge one day when he saw a man standing on the edge about to jump off. So he ran over and yelled "Stop! Don't do it!" The man replied, "Why shouldn't I?" The Christian said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" The man responded, "Like what?" The Christian said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" The man replied, "Religious." The Christian said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" The man responded, "Christian." The Christian said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" The man replied, "Protestant." The Christian said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? The man responded, "Baptist!" The Christian said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? The man responded, Baptist Church of God!" The Christian said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" The man replied, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" The Christian said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" The man responded, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" So the Christian said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off the bridge.
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Hard News: Belief Media, in reply to BenWilson,
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If someone says they are a Christian, it’s a pretty safe bet that they think the words attributed to Jesus are very important.
That may be true of liberal Christians. Not so sure about conservative Christians.
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Hard News: Belief Media, in reply to Hilary Stace,
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I disagree that there aren’t some sort of ‘general’ ethics. There are multiple strands in the development of ethics and various ways of looking at it all.
Not sure if these two statements are compatible. If ethical systems evolve as you imply with your second sentence then there cannot be a general code of ethics, only a relative one. (reflective of the structure of the society that happens to construct it)
Not to mention the gulf between the stated aims of any given society and the outcomes that that society actually produces. (the systemic effect as opposed to the moral aspiration)
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Hard News: Belief Media, in reply to Chris Waugh,
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Materialist? As in “This material world that we can see, hear, touch, taste and smell is all there is”?
{Lilith]It’s a pity that Materialist has other, less happy meanings. And I’ve got a Madonna earworm just thinking about it!
Maybe "physicalist" is the label you are looking for.
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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is…, in reply to Pete,
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But yeah, Lloyd Webber is the Nickelback of stolen light classical –
That’s a bit harsh. I see him more as a kind of latter day Sir Arthur Sullivan. Especially fond of Jesus Christ Superstar….now how does that song go again…
dong dong dow / dabadaba da / dong dong dow / dabadaba da….My mind is clearer now…… Ah yes, that’s it, featuring the vocal talents of the late great Carl Anderson:
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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is…, in reply to Tom Ackroyd,
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Bob Seger. The zedir of mediocrity.
Har har. Have to disagree though. Seasoned pro was Bob who wrote one of the best "on-the-road-melancholia" songs of all time:
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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is…, in reply to Russell Brown,
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It has dawned on me through this thread what a big influence listening to (and taping) Casey Kasem’s American Top 40 was on my musical education.
Not Barry ‘Dr Rock’ Jenkins?