Thanks for the heads-up on the Listener live blog.
Keith's map DOES look very funky, and it's gathering stuff already. Very nice.
So, where are people listing, watching, reading (e.g. live blogs) tonight?
I don't have a teev, so I'm not sure where I should point my browser - whether at a streaming media of some kind, or some interesting people doing a live blog. (Although I assume this thread will fulfil some of the latter, I do want to get an idea of results-as-they-happen).
I'm sure this is discussed further downthread, but why have such a bastardised system as PV when you might as well go the whole hog with STV and get a properly proportional result (if that's what you want)?
And yes, the big parties hogging the seats is precisely reason I was never impressed with the system while living in Oz.
Masterly, my good sir/madam
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Hah, my sojourn in the UK from 1998 to 2003 exactly reflects the flip from net emigration there to net immigration here.
And with the hand-wringing about the "brain drain" from here to Oz, it's very rarely I see the fact mentioned it's often actually a LABOUR drain. A decent minimum wage and the mining industry are certainly incentives to get away from shitty $12 an hour jobs here
It's not just people from east Asia who refer to foreigners as "aliens". Our lovely neighbours on the northeastern side of the Pacific do the same. Charming.
Thank you for this. I got the whole conspiracy-theory bollocks from a previous co-worker of mine, and he would simply not STFU when you pointed out the simple logic - Occam's Razor indeed - of how the buildings would fail. I even did a demo by putting some heavy objects into a stack of cardboard boxes and then dropping a heavy weight on top. They pancaked quite appreciably before toppling over... and they didn't have a girder framework inside channelling the kinetic energy pretty much vertically.
Also, perhaps it was obvious to me because I saw the thing live on TV from about 10 mins before the second plane crashed into its building - University of London fibre network with massive internet pipes to Europe AND the US meant no appreciable lag with sites like the Beeb and even CNN for much of the day. You could not watch the impacts real-time and not see how the collapses occurred.
Just to note as an addendum, I really don't want to turn this thread into one the rights and wrongs of the Salvation Army (their belated apologies and all - I'm afraid I wasn't in NZ in 2006 and missed the momentous occasion) - my point is really that Bish Brian seems to be operating along a similar continuum, but heading towards the US-type extreme. And that social services should be maintained by the state, not handed over to more or less dodgy private organisations with limited accountability.
From the Salvos' website in Oz:
We oppose vilification of, or discrimination against, anyone on the grounds of sexual orientation. No person is excluded from membership, fellowship or service in the Army solely on the basis of sexual disposition.
Homosexual practice however, is, in the light of Scripture, clearly unacceptable. Such activity is chosen behaviour [my emphasis] and is thus a matter of the will. It is therefore able to be directed or restrained in the same way heterosexual urges are controlled. Homosexual practice would render any person ineligible for full membership (soldiership) in the Army. However, practising homosexuals are welcome to worship with, and join in the fellowship of The Salvation Army.
How nice of them. And it wasn't just the HLR in the late 80s I was objecting to; that was just the most egregious example of their religious policies in the NZ political context.
As for being "aware" of people feeling discriminated against by Salvos, well, I know of at least two personally who got preached at about their sinful ways when they requested services. This was a number of years ago, but as I cite above, their core beliefs seem only to have changed in terms of a little style rather than major substance - no, they won't chuck you out of the church if you remain celibate for life.
I'm not saying that they are blatantly denying services to queer people, because I don't believe they are in Western countries. It's just that I don't feel like supporting a bunch of bigots whose entire ethos is against my lifestyle.