ignore last comment re: Christian minorities.
negative comment seems to focus on 'multiculturalism' as the enemy.
an even stronger than usual response in the heat of the day to Australian acts on the main stages, from the retro rock of Wolfmother to the strine-rich hip-hop of Hilltop Hoods.
which goes to show they probably haven't actually listened to what they're cheering for. Hilltop Hoods have a lot of lyrics that could easily read as 'UnAustralian'.
and second, serbs and croats are both Christian nationalities. could we please have someone talking about christian minorities being "a threat to the australian way of life"?
david, nah, it's more about placing blame for anti-western sentiment on liberals. liberals are on the same side, but conservatives are finger pointing to absolve themselves of responsibility.
iraq is bad? "those damn liberals won't let us win"
israel the #1 cause of disillusionment with in the ME? "those damn pagan liberals want the palestinians to win. don't they remember the holocaust"
american economic colonialism raising hackles? "those damn liberals are too chicken shit to fight for a strategic resource"
when i equated 'creedal wave' with fundamentalists, i meant there's not too much difference between christianity and islam in that respect. you know how right wingers constantly equate national socialism with "the left". in years to come we'll see that, like totalitarianism, all fundamentalisms and scriptural literalisms are as bad as each other.
david, no one is apologising for radical islam, or fundamentalist christianity for that matter.
amis just demonstrated the exact ignorance we're so concerned about. blaming internal allies for conservative folly. particularly blind support for israel in insane actions like bombing a neighbouring democracy, or the 'accelerate armageddon' POV.
the policies and actions that are radicalising islam.
and like stephen points out, what is this creedal wave? i would automatically assume rabid, crusader christianity.
yeah, mark the "fundamentally flawed" religion meme is not only wrong, it's *deliberately* wrong.
the tenets of islam are *wild* and *radical* ideas like charity, the battle to self-improve ("jihad"), and community.
the bloke in Australia is a wanker, plain and simple. although, if you've ever witnessed ozzy persecution of minorities, you'd not think him so out of order.
stephen. i think so.
pity that none of us are defending islam, but instead trying to point out the hypocrisy of accusations that *it* is orthodox and one-eyed, when christianity is as bad.
piers. indeed. orthodoxy has us believe that christ was a blue-eyed carpenter for example.
modern scholarship argues fairly strongly he was a galilean jew, probably looked more akin to the average arab, and was occupied as a 'teacher' in the same mode as modern rabbi.
the only certainty is that his teachings and actions were as big a perceived threat to the establishment of the day (pro-roman jewish clergy) as OBL is to the USA.
piers, not so sure that Islam is as static as you have been lead to believe. or at least no more orthodox than say, the catholic church.
if indeed osama does use the term 'liberal' (or Arabic equivalent), do you suppose that he's using it much like western conservatives use 'PC'?
a catch-all for anything your listeners don't quite get, but are 'agin'?
and can someone explain the origin of the 'osama's plan was to bankrupt the USA by drawing them into afghanistan' mythology? doesn't that tie into his grand scheme?
jeremy. LOL. and on the same vein i was intending to refer to.
perhaps the circumstantial evidence will further our concern with the feminist conspiracy. they do not suffer such amputation, after all.
"they're trying to keep us men under control"