As northwest kids, we had pretty much open access to UCSA without even being students. I remember seeing Arthur Baysting as Neville Purvis ("Right. We're not here to fuck spiders") and The Plague during one Orientation.
But mostly it was about finding ways to sneak into the ballroom space for gigs, usually after attempting to guzzle Liebestraum in the car park. I saw The Swingers and the Skeptics there, and also a Toy Love show in which Chris Knox appeared to nibble on a broken light bulb. I asked him about it years later and he couldn't remember doing it.
Tamaki released a video message after being asked how he felt about the "Chris Brown saga" and about his "previous abuse - violence, so-called".
He said people needed to have patience to accept others even though they had made "mistakes even if it comes to physical violence".
If Brown was granted a visa to come to New Zealand, Tamaki wanted him to attend the church's Map Up programme which helped those with alcohol, drugs and violence issues.
The church said it would write a letter of support to accompany Brown's application to Immigration New Zealand.
In the same story, Mika:
Mika issued a video support message, pointing to his Mika Haka Foundation and saying it worked with predominantly "young brown people" who had been convicted of crimes.
"Let's face it, if he wasn't black he probably would have been let in because there's been a lot of white people - celebrities - who have been let into New Zealand in the last few years with crimes a lot worse than this. Chris Brown, we want you to come to New Zealand.
"I am supporting the tour of Chris Brown because I know what he's doing now - or what he is trying to - repair and change his life if a great thing for young brown men. If we want to stop crime ... want to stop domestic abuse, we need role models like Chris because young brown guys listen to Chris Brown."
Where are all these white celebrities who've been let in recently after crimes "a lot worse" than Chris Brown's? Names, please?
This is just witless people being persuaded by Jevan Goulter.
Which isn’t so much a meaningful law as a coat tailing device. In 1991 Flavor Flav pleaded guilty to assaulting his then-girlfriend Karen Ross and served 30 days in jail, lost custody of his children. In August 1992 Public Enemy played in New Zealand. In 1993, Flav was charged with attempted murder and imprisoned for 90 days for shooting at his neighbor.
Flav is a goddamned mess all right. They're lucky they can still tour with him, but it's probably because he's been able to plead everything down to misdemeanours. Note that he wasn't convicted of attempted murder, which is why he only served 90 days.
Ironically, Chuck D is teetotal and doesn't even drink coffee.
Thanks Danielle. That is what I wanted to say yesterday when I got into an ill-advised Twitter discussion on this. Twitter is probably too rushed and chaotic a medium for it.
Yeah, it is. And you come up against absolutes very quickly.
There was a line in Andrea Vance's column about both Chris Brown and the Lorde revenge video, which is that "pop culture defines acceptable social norms". That seems utterly wrong to me. There is a place for violence in entertainment; pop culture is not a set of instructions for everyday behaviour. Sometimes that violence might be fantasy or catharsis.
I'm also not sure about making this dividing line between one form of popular culture and another. The Lorde video is a story, with characters.
Otoh, I do wonder if hearing Chris Brown instructing women to be "head down, ass up" in seemingly every track starts to normalise that as an attitude.
I'd argue that this, among many other levels of nasty, is exactly why GoT is so popular. Medieval fantasy that "keeps it real". Everyone in it is a gangsta to some degree or other. If they weren't at the start, they are by the end.
I honestly can't watch it. Too much sadistic, sexual violence. (I also don't like Tarantino films.)
Otoh, the two members of my household who follow it enthusiastically are much nicer people than me.
fucked up and broken in so many ways.
As Danielle so rightly says,
we’ve all got to make our own way through that maze.
Craig... you little hip hop lyricist you... ;-)
That is actually quite good! They call him Rappin' Ranapia.
Are we to take from that graph that Doug Hood doesn't play well with others?
Doug of course played a hugely important role in the Flying Nun story – recording Boodle and other classics, touring bands, managing The Chills for a while – but most people don't even know he was briefly the singer in The Clean.
That's correct. Hip hop started as an expression of an oppressed urban minority, sometimes manifesting as rebellious partying - but also at times as militant and aggressive resistance to the political and cultural status quote. Run DMC, PE, NWA are just a few examples, and the reason why hip hop resonates in Maori culture.
The first wave of hop hop – Kool Herc, Kurtis Blow, the Sugarhill Gang – was mostly innocuous party rhymes. It wasn't until the 1980s that it really took on a resistance voice. I have mixed feelings about commercial hip hop from the 90s on. But when you look at the sparse crowd Public Enemy drew last time through – mostly white dudes my age – it's pretty clear that the culture moved on.
Turia's support is reflexive because there is undoubtedly a racial element here. There is just never this level of vitriol when a white person with priors tries to visit (that I recall anyway).
Yeah ... but. It only really became an issue because Chris Brown had already been refused entry to other countries, which is the trigger under our law.
I don't think it's hugely helpful to use lyrics as a signifier of anything in particular, which is why I was rather less supportive of Odd Future being refused a visa. Lyrics can often be the sentiments of an adopted persona, or an expression of chutzpah or humour or a bunch of other things. His actions are what matters here.
Been watching a stay-10-miles-away-from-this argument raging onTwitter and thinking about it.
The Prodigy's 'Smack My Bitch Up' is an interesting example. If you saw the play the Big Day Out you may recall that when those lines came up in the chorus you could barely hear yourself think for teenage girls screaming them back. The words very clearly did not mean to them what they meant to outsiders.
And there are tons of of examples of dodgy lyrics that aren't meant to be taken seriously or literally or are in character. There's a tradition of aggressively sexual acting-out that goes back to the blues, and it's not only men what invoke it. Check out Betty Davis sometime.
But Chris Brown's do seem a little different. They are clearly more directly autobiographical (I don't think he's bright enough to create characters) and he's such a shit lyricist that it's hard to divine any wit or literary merit in them. They tend to just enforce the widespread impression that he's an awful person.