Oh, great. Another ad hominen attack.
On the other hand, thank you Merc. However, it's pretty clear that I don't fit in around here.
Gee, Russell. I’m kind of amazed that you are willing to label me inflammatory, provocative, needling, sneering, saying pointless things and imply that I’m self-absorbed. Nobody else comes in for this heavy use of negative adjectives, despite their behaviour, just your ‘new friend’. Yet I couldn’t see any effort on your part to take my arguments seriously, or to recognise that I was genuinely standing up for a principle. Or that a number of people agreed with me, and some were empowered to express apparently long-held concerns.
Fine, I’ll consider myself appropriately tarred, feathered and run out of town.
Hey Riddley - thanks for your post on the other thread. I appreciate the acknolwedgement and you made some good points. Gives a nice cap to the whole thing.
Yes Che, the victim has apologised and the bully has not, and they have decided to move on. I imagine now that nobody (or no woman) will dare to take on Craig, as his abuse has been legitimised and supported by this incident.
Just to repeat what I said above
In fact, I call that as an extension of the bullying behaviour. When it is the victim who apologies most, you know you have a power structure that feeds bullying.
This is not just about these two people. It is an issue for the type of public space this blog wants to be.
Che, it’s not a stab at Craig, but rather at the behaviour I’ve seen here over the last few days. In the spirit of calling things when you see them, I’m telling the regular posters on this thread (and Russell) that they’ve dropped the ball.
Now I think Craig is great. But on this, he behaved like a bully. Unfortunately, other commentators have enabled him to get away with it. We’ve even got the spectacle where the people he attacks are prepared to apologise and seek some ongoing consensus, and he responds with the most grudging self-justifying minimal ‘apology’. And gets away with it. That’s pretty disgusting in my book. In fact, I call that as an extension of the bullying behaviour. When it is the victim who apologies most, you know you have a power structure that feeds bullying.
To make the point, I cobble together a bunch of quotes involved in this issue and post them as a ‘criticism’. Ironically I get called theatre, when the original poster did not. So what am I to make of this? Is it okay to bully people if you are part of the ‘in’ crowd?
There has been a lot of criticism of kiwiblog on this system. There have been long discussions about respect for people and the need to call bad behaviour for what it is. And then the regular bloggers here have failed at the first hurdle – some even seemed more concerned for the bully than the victim.
That’s fine if that’s the nature of this place. But cut out the moral superiority act.
Sure. The magic word is hypocrite.
Althougth I think double standard or second class citizen also work pretty well.
Well, how interesting Public Address is. Must come here more often. Although as a newbie, I couldn’t understand Craig’s response. I’m sorry if he has some reading disability, but why can’t he try to do people the courtesy of not ripping what they say so far out of context – or just making shit up – it verges on psychosis. He might care to consider the level of respect and civility he is displaying.
And if you don’t get it, that says much more about you than me.
Che: Yep. Always best to post under a symbol of truth and enlightment, don't you think?
I'm sorry if you find "boy" offensive. Not intended, and happily withdrawn. I did think it better than the original shakespeare.
I went back and re-read these posts. It’s pretty clear , your original ‘joke’ only works if Mrs Peter Davies was somehow the most technically correct title for Helen Clark. Let me quote.
“if you really want to be petantic about 'legitimate' titles, shouldn't we be referring to the Prime Minister as Mrs Peter Davies”
Now that is clearly not the case, and some people found the suggestion offensively sexist (fair enough). Your response has effectively been
… can’t you take a joke
… you don’t get it so you must be stupid
… you are insulting other people
… you have a reading disability
… you are verging on the psychotic
I tried to draw your attention to this in a polite fashion. Now let me be more direct. You are out of line. I think you need to take a deep breath, and back off. An apology would also be in order.
The boy doth protest too much, methinks.
And with an increasing level of insult. "I can't be wrong, my opponents must be [insert insult]" is not the most edifying argument you have ever made, Craig.