If the state takes a lien out against their property, it’s means the kids inherit less,
I think you’ll find something along these lines is already in place. If my experience with my Grandmother is typical. One thing Im not sure of, if it was driven by the rest home or the state.
Could be, definitely the average lifespan increased a lot.
I dont want to live much past 85. In fact if I had my way I'd choose my death date.
I'm sorry, I cannot see what our lives and world views have in common beside coincidence of birth year.
And coincidence is all those of us born after the war have in common.
That's a stereotype?
C’mom andin, just having survived this long is selling out.
I guess street cred is everything. I wondering which street tho'?
I think time has been called, and the real world gets back tomorrow.
Hobbitses 'n all.
First off special mention to Deep Red
If Kyle had made it plain that his beef was with the selfishly affluent, rather than an entire generation, I’d have no problem.
Specifically the ones who became what they rebelled against in the first place.
Yes living , it seems, turns out to have many ironies.
But having long hair in your youth does not make the man.
We don’t even have the balls to implement a capital gains tax to make crystal clear to everyone that speculative property gambling and bigger and flasher houses are not productive investments for this country’s future.
While law changes go some way to righting wrongs. There is a whole lot more we could do but I fear the time has passed, many in a generation slunk pathetically back into the beliefs of their parents and childhood. But thats not a punishable offence, it was just a hope now pushed out to another time.
The national conversation about this needs to help everyone think about our grandparents and our grandchildren; about the sustainable wellbeing and wealth of this country’s future residents and environment, not just what’s easy or comfortably familiar for us right now.
I would say again I like to broaden things out. Its not about our anything. The "conversation" needs to virtually be global now. All cultural views need revised updated to our rapidly changing understanding of the globe.
I would say get rid of the straight boring turncoat boomers and bring back the alternate boomers.
Selfish Generations (reviewed by Ann Reeves of MSD’s Social Policy team and by economist Brian Easton). I won’t delve into their assessment of the work, but feel free to.
‘… the big winners … have been … those born between about 1920 and 1945. Throughout their lives they will make contributions which cover only a fraction of the benefits. For their successors the reverse is true.’ (p.3)
Much of the book is a rambling attempt to justify this accusation, based on anecdotal rather than systematic argument.
I was wrong. Firstly, the book does not attack any generation. It simply records the gradual shift in State assistance from a focus on children and young families, with minimal assistance to older people, through a stage where assistance to young and old was fairly evenly balanced, to the present focus on older people while assistance to those with young children has progressively been whittled away. Thomson notes that this has systematically benefited those he calls the "welfare generation", born in the 1920s, 1930s or early 1940s, while those who follow have faced cuts to current or prospective forms of support for themselves or their families. However, he acquits the "welfare generation" of greed or event intent in this.
So...um....yeah.. Back to working on the Time Machine.
Prior to the 1976 there was no universal system, student support was largely based on bursaries and scholarships. Some baby boomers would have ended up in that camp.
A big fast tick in that box for me.
The intergenerational shift between those born in the 40s-60s and those born in the 70s-80s isn’t particularly controversial. Brian Easton isn’t the only economist who was written on it.
No quite right, There are many economist's and journalist's getting ready to blame a generation for being born, and the faults of a few. As I said if birth control had been more readily available there wouldn't be this problem.
Its not hard to realise after years at war, fucking would have been high on the agenda in many minds.
Ben and Jimmy have outlined pretty good examples of stories that I heard dozens of time when I worked at a students association – my parents/grandparents/uncles/aunties don’t understand how the tertiary funding system has changed. Taxpayers tended to have very little understanding of just how little they were supporting tertiary students compared to ‘back in their day’.
I dont doubt it is more difficult to be a student at present, and maybe your extended family has difficulty grasping the changes. Was there anything else?
Andin, whilst I appreciate that the generalizations about baby boomers might not apply to an artist like yourself,
I just fell off my chair Sir! You flatter me.
it’s worth comparing what the life of artists my age is like. My sister is a professional dancer (arty, not sleazy), and has been on the bones of her arse for … ever. Her student loan passed the $100,000 mark years ago, now I don’t even ask, I think my parents are paying the interest, and will subtract that from her inheritance. She’s not lazy, quite the opposite, she’s one of the most driven people I know. But the year you topped $26,000 is an unthinkable dream for her.
It was for me too. And I got fringe benefits Woohoo.
Sorry I'm an irrepressible print comic. As Simon said the downstream effects of student loans are horrendous or something...
There is just NO MONEY in the arts, unless you are lucky enough to crack the big-time, which does also seem to mean “selling out” as well. She’s only able to do it because of support from Mum and Dad. The subculture she dwells in is very much an underclass, bearing all the hallmarks of lumpen proletarianism, lots of scamming, abuse, and a generally grasping attitude, as you’d expect from people drowning in poverty.
I thought we were at the "waving as we go down" stage.
But Im always jumping the gun, just like the weatherman.
I must say Kyle you have certainly worked yourself up into a tizzy about all this. But lets hone in on your target shall we.
First off broadly they are from the post WWII spurt of progeny. I wish birth control had been acceptable then, there were an awful lot of "bottle babies".
I dont want to dredge up the whole 1950's again so lets skip to the period you seem most interested in the 80's. When the BB's were hitting their stride financially and according to you where it all went bung.
Quite a few received a well funded education, graduated from university without student loans,
Quite a few....quite a few, you say, point me in the direction of some figures please. Well funded education? As Joe said if you didnt have a scholarship you had to work part time jobs and holiday jobs. But who the fuck wanted to sit through uni there was a big wide world out there to explore. So at this point comes the first thinning of the herd. Those who didnt stay in university and those who left the country.
So there's me gone as well from your target. But lets move on.
As higher income earners, lower taxes and user-pays works out pretty well. It created tremendous wealth, a lot of which we’ve seen go into the property market
So your target had to be in living in New Zealand, have benefited from a free education, be in the higher income brackets,( what 60,000+?) and looking to make a bit of cash on the side from property development.
Seems to be narrowing down pretty fast already. In fact I would say you could almost make a list of names from tax records etc and you would have your culprits. It would make it much easier for all concerned. Just scapegoat them, which is obviously what you want to do, except your pretending otherwise.
And just for your info during the 80's I spent most of that time being ripped off as a roadie in Australia. The NZ band I went there with imploded, and I worked mainly for gigging bands around Sydney. One in particular who couldnt find their niche, but who released crap singles which failed. So much for us all being artists. Anyway they eventually found their audience(years later) in the 3-6 yr old market. But they had a crook for a manager, another kiwi - go figure - who groaned every time he parted with money. So the pay was crap and I was scamming the system. So fucking report me!
And what did I earn during all that time, I reached the dizzying heights of $26000 per annum in 1987, when I actually found a job.
So I know your not talking about me cause I dont fit your profile. If you want to go after those born in the same broad category as me go ahead. But dont use the term baby boomer, because that is not who you are targetting. It is the objects of your emnity, name names, so we can all know who fucked up. Its the least you can do.
Had my fill of that.