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Posted at 10:39AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Oh for heaven's sakes! does Ron Mark have no clues about teenagers? I live in Dunedin - the coldest part of winter is almost upon us - does he have any idea how hard it is to get a teenager to wear a hat on a frosty morning?

Personally I want hoodies to be a standard part of the local school uniforms

Posted at 10:42AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

(on second thoughts Ron keep it up if they get your approval the kids wont want to wear them)

Posted at 10:59AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

I'm all for a "get over ridiculous sterotypes" campaign, but are hoodies really a particular sign of "bad yoof" in NZ? I've never come across this particular focus here, it seems to be a pretty generic, widely accepted fashion choice without that sort of stigma?
Have we just imported the Bluewater/hug-a-hoodie thing indiscriminately from the UK?

Posted at 11:05AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Allan Peachey was blathering on in the same way on 3 News last night.

National MP Allan Peachey says people have no interest in celebrating the kind of behaviour associated with gangs of young people who wear hoodies.

Incredible that he was ever principal of NZ's largest secondary school...

Posted at 11:10AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

This just cracks me up, they're sweaters FFS!

I saw Allan Peachey last night as well, blabbing on about 'showing some respect'...showing respect for whom? People who're judging me/others based on a piece of clothing I'm wearing because I'm a bit chilly? Not likely mate, respect having to be earnt and all that...

Posted at 11:10AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Yeah my teenage son say Peachey on TV last night "who's that redneck maroon?" was his response - he's 17 and looking forward to his upcoming ability to vote ....

Posted at 11:13AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_dress

Hood

The traditional BA fur lined hood worn with an undergraduate gown for graduation from the University of Cambridge.The hood was originally a functional garment, worn to shield the head from the elements. In the English tradition, it has developed to an often bright and decorative garment worn only on special occasions. It is also worn by clergy of the Anglican Communion in choir dress, over the surplice, and it is common in cathedrals, churches, and chapels for the choirmaster and/or members of the choir to wear an academic hood to which they are entitled during services, over their cassock and surplice, although only for the choir offices - Mattins and Evensong - but not for Eucharist.

Hoods comprise two basic patterns, 'full shape' or 'simple shape'. The traditional "full-shape" hood consists of a cape, cowl and liripipe, as is used at Cambridge. At Oxford, the bachelors' and masters' hoods use "simple" hoods which have lost their cape, and retain only the cowl and liripipe. Some universities only have a cape and cowl and no liripipe; these are referred to as the "Aberdeen shape". Various other universities have different shapes and patterns of hoods, in some cases corresponding to the pattern current at the ancient universities at the time when they were founded, and in others representing a completely new design.

The colour and lining of hoods in academic dress represents the rank and faculty of the wearer. In many Commonwealth universities bachelors wear hoods edged or lined with white rabbit fur, while masters wear hoods lined with coloured silk (originally ermine or other expensive fur). Doctors' hoods are normally made of scarlet cloth and lined with coloured silk.

Posted at 11:14AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Allan Peachy - How did he get a purple nose?

Posted at 11:19AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Shep: heh - and I guess it wasn't all that long ago that TEACHERS war 'hoods' as part of their school uniform ....

Posted at 11:24AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Its election year. By November Ron Mark will be publicly seen in a tin helmet studying a map of Poland. The tragedy is, Labour and National will feel compelled to make sure everyone knows they've directed MFAT to print maps of the USSR.

Posted at 11:26AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

*lol* Shep. I think it only reasonable that all teachers wear their academic regalia this Friday in solidarity wiff da youff !

Posted at 11:26AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

A bit clumsy wasn't it.

Just trying to draw parrallels to clothing and that a hood once was the hight of dress.

Posted at 11:27AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Wait, does this mean that if I wear a hoodie then middle-aged men will think that I, a 33-year-old lady, am a N.O.T.O.R.I.O.U.S criminal gangsta villain?

Cos I send to avoid hoodies cos they aren't very flattering on me, but if this will earn me street cred with politicians, I might visit Hallensteins and pick one up.

Posted at 11:30AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

I was just going to ask the same question Robyn...it's like adding a hood onto a jumper makes it some kind of magical Fountain of Yoof...

In faaact, I'm seeing a potential market for hoodies, selling them to the very same Elders who are currently tutting into their Earl Grey about the Evil Yoof Hoodie Gangs...they spend $100s/$1,000s on comestics/surgery etc to make them look/feel younger, when all they need is a HOOD...genius.

Posted at 11:32AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

You would think that Ron, being such a bald little coot, might want to cover up his own noggin. Is this a case of hair envy?

It is interesting that sweats with hoods are commonplace garb on American campuses--even in Utah.

Posted at 11:32AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

The traditional BA fur lined hood worn with an undergraduate gown for graduation from the University of Cambridge.

Hehe, nice one Shep.

Now we need a bunch of graduands at Vic's next graduation to find Ron Mark and start rapping at him and tag his office.

Posted at 11:34AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

So, in quick summary then:

1/ Hoodies not only worn by yoof, but by plenty of others who want functional winter sweatshirt

2/ Hooded yoof a broad group, not just vaguely sinister brown ones sporting dark glasses a la TV3 story.

3/ No established correlation between hoodedness in yoof and "kicking up one's heels" (whatever that means in this context).

4/ Ron Mark should probably stick to first aid, and Peachey should probably stick to ... well, reminiscing about the good ole days of bulk funding?

Posted at 11:38AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Allan Peachey was blathering on in the same way on 3 News last night.

...

my teenage son say Peachey on TV last night "who's that redneck maroon?" was his response...

And my response was "I wonder if Ron Mark's miffed they didn't get him?".

p.s. maroon/moron is pretty funny.

Posted at 11:45AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Don't think of it as a salary, think of it as satire's long-overdue share of the arts funding bundle.

Brilliant, Russell. Between this and David Slack's "budget of all mothers" (a line that will be drunk to wherever budget commentators gather) it's been a great week for zingers.

I wear my Disneyland "Grumpy" hoodie all the time. Mysteriously I have never once been booed off our sleepy village street (excuse me, "heartland street" as it must be known in an election year), nor approached to facilitate the purchase of recreational pharmaceuticals. In fact, more people talk to me about bloody homeopathy than they do drugs. I don't think hoodies facilitate bad behaviour; the evidence suggests they facilitate bad science.

Stick THAT in your allegedly-youth-purveyed crack pipe and smoke it, Oberwankenführer Mark.

Posted at 11:48AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Ron Mark! Brilliant! The organisers of Youth Week stage Hoodie Day to try and break down negative stereotypes about the popular and practical garment. And Ron wades in to declare that the organisers are "promoting black American gang culture", because "a lot of New Zealanders look at youths kicking their heels around the streets today, they look at youth gangs, youth crime and the rap American culture and they see totally negative things from those hoods."

Wait a mo', just to play devil's advocate here, I do find the casual misogyny, homophobia and glorification of black male dysfunction of much hip-hop culture repulsive. And that's before you wrap your head around the irony that, in the US, it's eagerly consumed by white, middle-class teenagers who'd shit their pants if their daddy's SUV broke down in the da hood where the likes of Kanye West and P. Diddy don't live any more.

And somehow, I don't think heading down the Otara Market in one of these hoodies would score one mad props for your ironic fashion sense.

Posted at 11:49AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

1/ Hoodies not only worn by yoof, but by plenty of others who want functional winter sweatshirt

2/ Hooded yoof a broad group, not just vaguely sinister brown ones sporting dark glasses a la TV3 story.

This.

If only PAS' code let me post a "One Free Internet" voucher for you.

Posted at 11:49AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Where do manga catgirl ears fit into all this? Would it then turn into an Asian Angst issue redux? ;)

Posted at 11:51AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

To be precise...

Posted at 11:52AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Stick THAT in your allegedly-youth-purveyed crack pipe and smoke it, Oberwankenführer Mark.

Wow, that took a little longer than I expected.

Posted at 11:54AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Now we need a bunch of graduands at Vic's next graduation to find Ron Mark and start rapping at him and tag his office.

I reckon the powers that be at Vic will happily settle for that than the VUSA president wearing his "I love my penis" t-shirt again. :)

Posted at 11:56AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Well, at the risk of not being cool, a la mode, identifying with yoof or *currying favour with them * , I'll say that I can't disagree with Ron Mark.

We're importing some very shabby aspects of overseas culture, and if hoods are identified with gangs of whatever sort, then who needs them? Is this a bandwaggon truly worth jumping on?

What is the point of a Hoodie Day?
Who's trying to impress whom about what?
Who's organising this silly little non-campaign, and for what purpose?

Defiance is a poor reason for chosing clothing. Grownups don't have to express their antisocial thoughts or all-round bloodymindedness through textiles - we have language for that.

Anyway Ron Mark is okay by me after his sterling performance in the Terrace Tunnel yesterday, saving that bloke's life. Top mark(s).

Posted at 11:59AM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

LOL Shep. I wonder when the cloak is going to make a comeback. Would be perfect for gangstas, you could hide your sub machine gun under there.

Personally I've got nothing against a hooded garment as a highly practical choice for a variable climate. But I am quite suspicious of people who feel the need to actually walk around with the hood up, a hat on, wearing sunglasses, when it's not sunny or raining. Much as I would be of someone choosing to wear a scarf around their face or a motorbike helmet when they were not riding their bike. Or flitting from shadow to shadow.

I don't think that the effect is lost on the wearers either, that they are ignorant of that effect. They do it for that reason, for the effect that it has on people, which is mostly one of intimidation. I find that hard to admire as a fashion choice.

Posted at 12:03PM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

I've read enough Harry Potter - wearing a cape while flitting from shadow to shadow is apparently quite common in some social circles these days ....

Posted at 12:04PM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Re: the online pre-cancellation campaign to save Dollhouse - there was previously a pre-cancellation effort to save the Sarah Connor Chronicles. It was basically a joke, and hardly anyone signed the petition because they all recognised it was a joke:

http://www.petitiononline.com/scchron/petition.html

That said, I'm with Patrick Neilsen Hayden at Boing Boing - preparation makes sense to me.

Posted at 12:05PM on 27 May 08. Permalink.

Wait a mo', just to play devil's advocate here, I do find the casual misogyny, homophobia and glorification of black male dysfunction of much hip-hop culture repulsive.

I find it disturbing too.

I just think the link between it, and a bunch of kids wearing a sweatshirt is a little weak. Attack the problem not the clothes its wearing.

Bling however... that shit's gotta be banned.