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Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1840
Hard News: "Rubbish" is putting it politely
It's a shame I hadn't seen the Listener's risible 'Gay wrongs?' story before I spoke to Rodney Hide on Tuesday night. I'd have been happy to tell him how I felt about his part in it. The sub-heading of the story in the current issue quite effectively captures its small-minded tone:
Hamboy
From: Christchurch
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 160
I'm still getting the "sorry this content is not available to view" message, even after updating Flash and turning off my pop-up blocker. Is anyone else having this problem?
Not quite that problem, just the usual hassle of the crap version of Flash for Linux.
OnDemand worked, but it only downloaded the slow connection version which had horrible quality.
giovanni tiso
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 5583
One is almost sorry one cancelled one's subscription to the Listener two weeks ago, otherwise one could phone them up and cancel it after this little gem of a story and tell them why. Then one could hop off one's high horse, because one's tuckus is getting kind of sore.
Tom Semmens
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1258
Watch out, Pammy will have the lawyers on ya.
Mark Easterbrook
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 223
Back when I was at Uni and trawling for potential scholarships, I found one that was for something like "children of members of the New Zealand Defence Force seeking to study Agriculture at Lincoln University".
Damn rurally-minded Army brats. Always gettin' the preferentialz.
Che Tibby
From: the back of an envelope
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1566
Then one could hop off one's high horse, because one's tuckus is getting kind of sore.
back in oz they had a comedy show where a guy would climb up onto a high saw-horse and condemn things.
it was like rove's "what the?", but funny.
the one where he got stuck into "what about me?" was hilarious. you know, "what about me, it isn't fair, i've had enough and i want my share...<sob>".
response? "if you've had enough then it's surely from your share? do you want someone else's share? how fair would that be? hmmm?"
etc.
Steve Curtis
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 112
Check the list of scholarships administered by Rishworths own law school
There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa
The AWLA Margaret Wilson Scholarship only for women law students $2000 pa
http://www.law.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/law/for/current_students/scholarshipsandprizes/scholarships.cfm
I get the impression that Mary Jane didnt didnt tell the Professor that it was a private scholarship and not one funded by the government
Michael Stevens
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 209
Yes, we in the Velvet Mafia are at work to take over the world one scholarship at a time. GABA is just a front you see, we have secret plans for world domination, it is part of a vast international conspiracy - the Homintern.
As well as turning all your sons into hairdressers or interior decorators with gym toned and waxed bodies, we are going to turn your daughters into truck drivers or organic goat farmers.
Soon the whole world will be beautifully dressed and decorated ! Fear us !
giovanni tiso
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 5583
I get the impression that Mary Jane didnt didnt tell the Professor that it was a private scholarship and not one funded by the government
Mary Jane? A dangeorus gateway journalist, then, surely.
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 10411
Moderator
I get the impression that Mary Jane didnt didnt tell the Professor that it was a private scholarship and not one funded by the government.
Which was precisely the mistake so many windbags made back when Don Brash was trying to gin up outrage about tertiary scholarships for Maori -- the majority of which are actually provided by the Maori Education Trust, from its own asset base, and iwi.
But Rishworth damn well should have known enough to ask.
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 10411
Moderator
There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa
There has to be a joke in that ...
Jarrod Baker
From: Wellington
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 25
back in oz they had a comedy show where a guy would climb up onto a high saw-horse and condemn things.
I'm very excited that someone else actually watched Micallef Tonight.
This is host Shaun Micallef on the aforementioned high horse:
He now hosts a show on SBS called Newstopia which I very much hope we get here one day (cos I'm routinely blowing my bandwidth cap already).
Newstopia explains the US electoral system:
B Jones
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 464
Oh, I love a good poetry reference with my outrage.
Blair Parkes
From: Christchurch
Since: Sep 2008
Posts: 1
Perhaps readers would also be interested in Listener columnist's Debra Hill Cone's ability to diagnose [and judge] aspergers [and depressive diseases] from afar. Must be those glasses..
MikeE
From: Kingsland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 114
So has anyone actually read the article or seen it in context?
Rodney is hardly someone I'd consider a homophobe. If the scholarship is privately funded I can't see any reason to be against it.
If it was state funded it would be an issue (then again so would any other scholarship that discriminates).
But people should be able to do whatever they want with their own money, be it gay straight or mongoose.
Stuart Coats
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 175
Newstopia explains the US electoral system:
Thanks you so much for brightening my day with that clip. I am still laughing, not just at the US election explanation but the Steve Fosset joke that follows.
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 10411
Moderator
So has anyone actually read the article or seen it in context?
Well, duh. Of course.
Rodney is hardly someone I'd consider a homophobe.
No, he's just a cheap opportunist. That's the problem.
Mike, I wish everyone in Act was like you, but unfortunately that's far from the case.
Rodney's very welcome to drop by here and explain himself though.
Paul Williams
From: Sydney
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1380
__There is the FWW Rhodes scholarship only for law students who are former pupils of Auckland Grammar $2200 pa__
There has to be a joke in that ...
For which the punchline is presumably:
"To overcome the immense social disadvantage"
Emma Hart
From: Christchurch
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2913
Moderator
I've read it, Mike, what part of the spitting incoherent outrage that was my response would you like to hear?
In Hide's defense, the section that quotes him starts with 'asked for comment' and goes on to say that it's not something Clark needs heading into an election, but he also says
It's a big story... It's good that they have scholarships but you should not make it on the basis of one's sexuality, just like Chris Carter would be mortified if there was a scholarship that only straight people could apply for.
It's a complete non-story. The reporter may not have had the nous to remember the (very) recent decision on scholarships for women, but someone at the Listener should have.
DeepRed
From: The world's southernmost capital city, in Australia's Canada
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1152
I've never liked loaded questions, but here's one I'd like to ask the Listener:
How big is the shark you've just leaped over?
Ian MacKay
From: Bleheim
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 424
I have been reading the Listener for decades but have reached the stage of cancelling my sub in the next quarter, but I was pleased to read a study of crime statistics written by Gabrielle Maxwell this week. page 24. In spite of those loud voices eg Sensible Sentencing Trust(??) it seems that crime is reducing, and not "spiralling out of control" as Mr Key says. As for Rodney Hide, is this just another dog-whistle tactic? (Is it true that Hide was the last person to be censured by the Privileges Committee?)
giovanni tiso
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 5583
but I was pleased to read a study of crime statistics written by Gabrielle Maxwell this week. page 24. In spite of those loud voices eg Sensible Sentencing Trust(??) it seems that crime is reducing, and not "spiralling out of control" as Mr Key says.
How about putting that on the cover, then? I'm no journalist, but it would seem to me to be slightly more topical than figuring out what Hitler was on. (Plus, his favourite film was King Kong, so maybe they could have done an alarmist story about that when PJ did the remake).
My partner and I have decided to buy the magazine from now on on the basis of what's on the cover. I think that is pretty much a guaranteed saving of $3.8 per week.
Stuart Coats
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 175
I think that is pretty much a guaranteed saving of $3.8 per week.
I've already saved myslef the $3.80, so can anyone tell if Hitler was indeed on P? Because it's going to affect my daily life.
Eddie Clark
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 266
That story is disappointing, but not exactly surprising, from both the Listener and Rishworth. Rishworth, for a Bill of Rights expert, has a somewhat... narrow view of the reach of human rights in New Zealand.
Lucy Stewart
From: Amherst, MA
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1146
Back when I was at Uni and trawling for potential scholarships, I found one that was for something like "children of members of the New Zealand Defence Force seeking to study Agriculture at Lincoln University".
When coming to Canty, I went through the first-year scholarships and ended up concluding that what I really needed to be was a disabled Pacific Island or Maori train-driver's kid studying engineering, because then I'd qualify for everything.
That said, I am actually in no place whatsoever to complain about a lack of funding, but there's specialist scholarships aimed at a huge variety of different groups, and I don't see why this one is any different. Nelson College used to have a scholarship for boys who could prove they were of "pure British stock". I wonder if the Listener ever had anything to say about that?
Joe Wylie
From: Behind the barn down on my knees
Since: Jan 2007
Posts: 1584
Nelson College used to have a scholarship for boys who could prove they were of "pure British stock".
Amazin'. Only strapping young Oxo cubes need apply eh?
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 10411
Moderator
Totally OT (but hey, whose blog is it?), TPMTV has a great roundup of the most recent McCain-Palin madness:
Oh, and Morning Report this morning said a poll had found the public divided on McCain's proposal to suspend the electoral campaign and cancel the first debate. But they forgot to say it was a Zogby poll. SUSA has now done two rounds on the issue and found twice that American voters think that's a stupid idea.
giovanni tiso
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 5583
SUSA has now done two rounds on the issue and found twice that American voters think that's a stupid idea.
Thank you for pointing that out, I wanted to scream at the radio.
Paul Litterick
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1000
I thought ACT was supposed to be the Liberal party. I thought they believed that people should spend their money however they wished. But then, this is a Get Carter issue, so normal market rules do not apply.
Steve Curtis
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 112
The Nelson College ( The oldest state school in NZ) scholarship may have been won by Ernest Rutherford. Who, following his older brother, was awarded it on his second try in 1887.
http://www.rutherfordjournal.org/article010112.html
The Rutherfordjournal.org also makes interesting reading
Kyle Matthews
From: Dunedin
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 4935
Thank you for pointing that out, I wanted to scream at the radio.
That's just attacking the medium. I wanted to scream at America: polling, voters etc.
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