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Hard News: History is now

The first results are back in the final phase of an extraordinary US presidential election. As Doris Kearns Goodwin declared on the Daily Show, "there's been nothing like it since the 19th century". And they didin't even have the internet then. Indulge yourself. Throw a sickie and gorge on news channels, blogs and novelty eBay auctions for a day, I'm not judging. But do feel very welcome to post your links and share your insights here …

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Russell Brown
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First.

Heh.

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Graeme Edgeler
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It would have been hilarious if you were second.

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Michael Robinson
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That's not results, that's just more reports of voter numbers. I want votes, dammit, real vote counts.

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Russell Brown
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And without wishing to bring any negativity into what ought to be a great Guy Fawkes for all mankind, Josh Marshall's Palin post is on the money:

I know there's a lot of talk in Republican circles that Sarah Palin is going to be the star, the new face of the GOP in the post-Bush, post-McCain era. And this speculation has been goosed by Palin's own hints that it's full speed ahead with Palinism on the national stage if she and McCain fall short on Tuesday. But for me the whole idea has never really added up. I'm certainly not the target audience. But my own sense is that Palin's appeal is uniquely and paradoxically tied to the dynamics of this particular election -- an election in which Republicans are expecting, rightly or wrongly, to be beaten decisively and the most aggrieved are uniquely drawn to Palin's bright eyed and unapologetic appeal to resentment and victimology.

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Russell Brown
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It would have been hilarious if you were second.

True that. I'd never have lived it down.

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R A Hurley
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i see the point of the Salon piece you link to, Russell... but i also wonder if it doesn't add to what seems to me to be a growing sense that Obama is going to be not merely a better president than Dubya, but an epochal president... i worry that expectations for the man are rising to the point where he can never live up to them, regardless of his merit as a president...

i mean, it's one thing to say he's the better candidate for president... that much is quite plainly obvious... but it is quite another to suggest that his election will bring an era of political satire to a close...

as Jon Stewart (your hero and mine) said at one point about a particular Bush-ism (the details of which escape me at the moment)... "we don't need your charity"...

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Emma Hart
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Pff, you lot, go to bed.

the most aggrieved are uniquely drawn to Palin's bright eyed and unapologetic appeal to resentment and victimology.

No... if I shut my eyes and tap my heels three times can I have a sane Republican Party?

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R A Hurley
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also... i think the greatest gift the GOP could give Obama's re-election campaign in 2012 would be running Palin against him... i can't picture what she could possibly learn in the next four years that would obviate the shortcomings she has shown in this election cycle... i've never been there, but surely America doesn't have THAT many short-sighted rednecks?

in a nutshell... i think the odds on Palin getting the nomination in 2012 are slim to non-existent... Huckabee has a better chance... but i can totally see Obama thrashing him in 2012 as well... in fact, i'll go out on a limb right now and say that if a Republican takes the White House in 2012, it'll be someone we've yet to hear of...

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giovanni tiso
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in fact, i'll go out on a limb right now and say that if a Republican takes the White House in 2012, it'll be someone we've yet to hear of...

Nothing short of Batman, I would think.

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Emma Hart
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Nothing short of Batman, I would think.

Camp fifties Batman, or goth-angsty Batman? Cause I'd really like to see the former. And he'd be the first Republican candidate to run with his faithful young lithe male companion at his side, instead of tucked away in a Motel 6.

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R A Hurley
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Batman is a Republican?

oh man... the eight year old inside me just choked out his final breath and passed on...

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giovanni tiso
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Batman is a Republican?

Mmmh... yes. Okay, look, I've been working for the past sixteen hours. Can we all pretend I wrote something witty here? And Emma, LOL.

(See, I'm reduced to LOLs. Somebody send help).

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R A Hurley
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hey... i thought it was witty! i wouldn't say i LOL'd... but that's only because my cat is asleep on my lap...

in fact, your quip reminded me of an American acquaintance who said to me back in 2007: "man, the Dems could run Peter Gabriel on a 'Shock The Monkey' platform next year and STILL win"...

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81stcolumn
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Batman.......or the Lone Ranger ?

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Danielle
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Insane US Election Nerd Alert: I woke up at 5am worrying about the exit polls. Oh yes.

The tiny village of Dixville Notch, New Hampshire voted at midnight and went 15-6 to Obama; it hasn't gone Democrat since the 60s. Please be a harbinger!

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Martin Roberts
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Nate from 538 regrets to inform us that Dixville Notch shows little correlation to even the New Hampshire result. He also reckons that the real information starts around 7pm EST (1pm NZDT).

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Amy Gale
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Batman is a Republican?

Well, he invited Pat Leahy to his political fundraiser. So I'm guessing Democrat.

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Jake Pollock
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I wanted to go to campus today to witness democracy in action, but unfortunately am laid up with a cold. Nevertheless, it's 17C and sunny in Pittsburgh, and a nice day to vote, if that's the kind of thing you're into.

And based on camp 1970s Batman's run for mayor against the Penguin, I'm going to say he was a Democrat.

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Craig Ranapia
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No... if I shut my eyes and tap my heels three times can I have a sane Republican Party?

Nope -- it's going to take a lot more than magical thinking to do that. It's going to be a hard, nasty civil war because I'll bet good money that the theo-con Palinistas aren't going to give up; they will have to be taken out with the rest of the trash.

Andrew Sullivan has drawn a good analogy with the British Conservatives post-Thatcher, when their internecine in-fighting over shit nobody else cared about was Tony Blair's biggest electoral asset. It took over fifteen years to get the moderates back in control and rebuilding electoral credibility there, and it might take that long for the GOP. Or it could just end in blood and tears.

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Craig Ranapia
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Batman is a Republican?

Apparently so. Sigh...

Though in more encouraging news, DC's attempt to get political (the heroes of the DC Universe start taking sides as a plot to assassinate the - fictitious - presidential candidates unfolds) has united comics fandom. Superman: Red or Blue? The bipartisan consensus is more like: What the fuck were you people huffing when this got the green light?

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