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Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1646
Hard News: High Noon
Public Address reader Mark Harris has a fascinating blog post on the progress of Section 92A of the Copyright Act. He notes the way that it was restored to the amendment bill after being deleted by the select committee, with notice by Judith Tizard and approval from National's Chris Finlayson ("we support what is being done here") constituting the whole of the debate.
Peter Darlington
From: Nelson
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 552
Poor old Bob, all my sympathies to his family, that's a terrible thing to happen.
Danielle
From: PAS Women's XV Strategic Headquarters
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2243
Oh no, Bob! My fellow Wire maniac!
Well, that fucking sucks. I'm so sorry.
giovanni tiso
From: Wellington
Since: Jun 2007
Posts: 4281
We'll miss Bob too
Hear, hear. So sad.
Mark Harris
From: Waikanae
Since: Jul 2008
Posts: 1338
Always sad when a voice disappears. My sympathies to Bob's family.
Tim Michie
From: Auckward
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 237
Sorries from me too for Bob's passing. And glad he was here...
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 9005
Moderator
Don't go looking for me at the public demonstration. There was a little booking whoopsie and I now won't be landing in Welly until 12.30. Oh well. At least I can get some work done while I wait ...
Emma Hart
From: Christchurch
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2620
Moderator
Well, that fucking sucks. I'm so sorry.
Amen, he'll be missed. Our thoughts and love to his family.
Deborah
From: Adelaide
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 807
My sympathies to Bob's family, and friends, among whom I count us.
Time for that Births, Deaths, Civil Unions and Other Events of Interest column, Russell? T'would be nice to have a place to gather to celebrate and mourn. I realise that things are a busy at present... with s92A and all that, but maybe soon?
Zippy Gonzales
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 163
The Three Strikes Bill reminds me of the Degrees of Murder Bill, which Act supported, back in the '90s. Although initially supportive, I ended up agreeing with the reasons for the DoM to be dumped. Similar lessons of over-proscription to be learned here.
In fairness to the disastrous Californian 3 Strikes regime, at least it removed the moral hazard in picking and choosing the offences which would apply. For example, why are no white collar crimes included in the Bill? Is less societal harm caused by a repeat fraudster who wrecks the lives (and savings) of thousands, than by an aggravated assaulter?
There's also the threat of future amendment. There is nothing stopping a future government from loosening the criteria for Three Strikes to kick in. Pardon the thin wedge cliche, but it's true.
Zippy Gonzales
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 163
Whoops. Wrong thread. Stupid tabbed windows...
Paul Litterick
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 879
A sad loss. Many of us are wearing black already, so perhaps the meaning of our black squares could be extended to include mourning.
BenWilson
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2842
RIP Bob :-(
Simon Grigg
From: Just another klong...
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2143
Bob? No! I'm absolutely shaken. I loved his posts and, especially his pointers towards books and much else.
I didn't ever have the privilege to meet the man but thought very highly of him as a result of our paths crossing at PA. My thoughts, too, go out to his family.
George Darroch
From: Te Ao Nui
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1022
Yeah, not much for me to say other than I enjoyed my interactions with Bob on here, and wish his loved ones all the best.
Leopold
Since: Jan 2007
Posts: 69
Well, that was a quiet, bourgeois little protest. Should be glad that you were sharing stage with the Tamils (tho' they didn't seem to have much to shout about, as well...)
Why o why are there no more of the big noisy demos (anti-SIS, Vietnam, FOL, hell, even the abortion ones) of the past?
Steve Parks
From: Wellington
Since: May 2007
Posts: 720
Sad to hear about Bob Munro. My condolences to his family.
BenWilson
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2842
Why o why are there no more of the big noisy demos (anti-SIS, Vietnam, FOL, hell, even the abortion ones) of the past?
It's not as cool as it used to be? I'm not surprised that a protest on amendments to copyright law would be bourgeois :-). I'm thinking I'd get some pretty blank stares if I went around canvassing my working class district looking for people who wanted to take time off work for the chance to have a bit of a march and a yell about this. I doubt they'd yell about it at any time. More likely, like everyone I know, they just won't care a stuff about copyright law.
Steve Parks
From: Wellington
Since: May 2007
Posts: 720
Well, that was a quiet, bourgeois little protest.
Was very polite, wasn't it. Decent enough turn out, though.
That rascal, Peter Dunne, eh... using the occasion to put the boot into the now defunct ERA. Still, good to get support from him.
BenWilson
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2842
Still, good to get support from him.
Dunno about that. Some support is actually better not to have, when the cost of it is giving people like Dunne a platform.
Stephen Judd
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2013
Sorry to hear about Bob. His contributions stood out to me.
Well, that was a quiet, bourgeois little protest. Should be glad that you were sharing stage with the Tamils (tho' they didn't seem to have much to shout about, as well...)
Why o why are there no more of the big noisy demos (anti-SIS, Vietnam, FOL, hell, even the abortion ones) of the past?
I think it was all the more effective for being composed of people who are usually slow to take collective or public action, and clearly unused to it.
In my (perhaps skewed) experience, ICT has disproportionately many cynical individualists who don't care for or believe in a common good, as anyone who's tried to unionise programmers knows. If you can get them to rally around a cause then something big is afoot.
Steve Parks
From: Wellington
Since: May 2007
Posts: 720
DeepRed
From: The southernmost capital city in the world
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 866
And so too are the pics. I'd say image embedding should be the next thing on the To Do List.
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Evan Yates
From: Hamiltron, Te Ika-a-Māui
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 170
Destiny Church got a few thousand at their "Enough is Enough" anti-civil-union march. They were (rightly) ignored by the pollies.
The news article estimates that 120 people turned up to this protest. Do you think the MPs are worried that the vox populi is against s92a to the point where they need to change the course of their legislation?
No I didn't get off my fat bum and turn up either... supporting the cause from afar is about the best I can do. Sorry.
Steve Parks
From: Wellington
Since: May 2007
Posts: 720
This was organised at relatively short notice. More importantly than the number who turned up today is the number of emails and the number of signatories on the petitions. I think it was Russell who said that he heard that MPs were surprised at the number of emails they received on this issue.
Steve Parks
From: Wellington
Since: May 2007
Posts: 720
...still, the chance of making a change to the legislative plans is probably low. Here's hoping....
Paul Litterick
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 879
It looked like a pretty good number to me, given the short notice and the previous absence of public debate. Somebody needs to come up with some better slogans, though.
Lyndon Hood
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 858
images + speech audio
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0902/S00338.htm
clare curran's proposed bill
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0902/S00339.htm
Lyndon Hood
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 858
there's also a transcript of yesterday's Parliament question and Blogger Russell Brown vs entertainment lawyer Chris Hocquard. I haven't listened to the latter but it led the law student in the office to remark it's a bad idea to argue with barristers.
Don Christie
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1406
to remark it's a bad idea to argue with barristers.
You think? I am 30 seconds into the interview and the guy has just told Russell to shut up. Is that what barristers do in court? He sounds like a complete tit and a bully. Which is how, the on the whole, RIANZ and their proxies come across.
Don Christie
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1406
Oh. And here we go again. This is the line that RIANZ are taking. The CoD is the problem not the law. Again, this guy Chris blamed the ISPs for not getting it right.
That is a bullshit argument and position and trying to change the ground game. repeat after me, the law is wrong.
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