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Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1653
OnPoint: Plague, Famine, By-Election
Small towns cut off from the outside world by an earthquake which also releases swine-flu-spitting zombies from an interdimensional portal to hell have fewer problems than Mt Albert, apparently. (Fast-moving zombies, FYI.)
Labour's existing electorate organisation has given it a head start in at least one way: Shearer seems to have twice as many hoardings up as all the other parties combined -- many of them in prominent corner positions on private properties.
Labour also seem to be the only party aware that Pt Chev is in the electorate.
How much impact do hoardings really have though? Guess we'll find out.
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Christopher Dempsey
From: Tamaki / Auckland
Since: Sep 2008
Posts: 190
An idea that floated around the campaign launch today was to cost public transport options to see what kind of public transport alternative Waterview could buy instead. Would be great to see how they stack up…
Joshua Arbury has already had a look at this issue on his excellent Auckland Transport Blog (hit me if he doesn't become Auckland's Transport Czar in 20 years time).
Basically, it's 2.2b for a surface and exactly the same, give or take a couple of million, for a fabulous rail option with links north and south, and four stations.
I laughed. Still, it’s kinda ungenerous of him to say that spending money to avoid bulldozing 600 houses is “buying votes”.
"'What do you mean you've never been to Alpha Centauri? For heaven's sake mankind, it's only four light years away you know. I'm sorry, but if you can't be bothered to take an interest in local affairs that's your own lookout.
'Energize the demolition beams.'"
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
I vote for that rail option so that when peak oil hits we still have a system that works while individual cars are too expensive to run anymore.
As Joshua points out so succinctly, the Waterview project will not come out of standard transport funding, so there is nothing to stop the money being used in any way to move people and goods around - providing the decision makers are not in the pockets of those who stand to make money from building one particular option. As George says in the comments, it's a mighty expensive one, too.
I predict that special enabling legislation will be used to do an end-run around the RMA even if it has been watered down by then. It would be only sensible for the funder to remove the risk of delays from such an expensive project, and really it wouldn't matter who the Government was (Rugby World Cup, anyone?).
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
Keith, thank you for resisting the lazy media tide that lumps Chinese, Korean and Pakistani into one simple and manageable blob of people who our grandparents felt wary about. Race is a distraction in this and the longer it's fed by some campaigns the more certain we can be that they have nothing else to say.
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simon g
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 536
“Just look at what happened in Napier.”
I assumed this was Keith creatively paraphrasing, or exaggerating for effect, until I checked the Q & A transcript.
Turns out, Melissa Lee really did say it. Oh dear.
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Rich of Observationz
From: Back in Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2002
A congestion charge for the central city and associated motorways would have negative cost and reduce/remove the need for additional highways.
$10 a day from 150,000 vehicles (based on 200,000 daily vehicles through the CMJ, plus another 100k not using the motorway, minus 50% for traffic reduction ) would raise at least $350mln a year.
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Rich of Observationz
From: Back in Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2002
Chinese, Korean and Pakistani
But not Turkish, Lebanese or Israeli. It isn't even a correct generalisation.
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Angus Robertson
From: Auckland
Since: May 2007
Posts: 610
Shearer is pioneering a new school of thought in New Zealand politics: You don’t need to apologise just because the Gallery read it on Kiwiblog. It’s okay, really.
The joy of being in opposition, tolerance of more than one opinion within the same party.
Simon G:
I assumed this was Keith creatively paraphrasing, or exaggerating for effect, until I checked the Q & A transcript.
Turns out, Melissa Lee really did say it. Oh dear.
Apples. Oranges.
Sacha:
Keith, thank you for resisting the lazy media tide that lumps Chinese, Korean and Pakistani into one simple and manageable blob of people who our grandparents felt wary about. Race is a distraction in this and the longer it's fed by some campaigns the more certain we can be that they have nothing else to say.
And complicating matters further is the little-mentioned divide between the 'old generation' (which includes those descended from Otago goldminer stock like myself) and the 'new generation'.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
I checked the Q & A transcript
Simon, worth checking out video footage if you can. The transcript probably doesn't convey the blustering rudeness adequately.
Here's the transcript. Lee was frankly ghastly in that interview.
PAUL Did you say the other day law and order is not the priority for people of Mt Albert?
DAVID I said that when I'm in the streets talking to people their key priorities is the tunnel, they desperately want the tunnel to be put through because they're really worried about the fact that there could be a six lane highway running right through the middle of Mt Albert.
MELISSA But you’ve only been there for the last week as he said, he's only come back just a week ago, I've been there for longer than that and people are telling me – people are telling me that they're concerned about safety issues, I mean as you know Paul I have been a victim of a home invasion, I had a gun pointed in my head, don’t tell me that law and order issue are not actually a big issue for people of Mt Albert, just look at what happened in Napier.
PAUL Well to be fair to Mr Shearer he has had a bomb go off 25 metres behind him when he was sleeping.
MELISSA True, but I mean maybe that is the reason he doesn’t think law and order is a big issue in Mt Albert, but it certainly is, 50,000 law and order issues, I mean reported cases in last year alone in Auckland City, 50,000 and don’t tell me 50,000 is a lot of numbers.
So Shearer's a slacker on law and order because he's used to Baghdad styles? Did she really say that?
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
the little-mentioned divide between the 'old generation' (which includes those descended from Otago goldminer stock like myself) and the 'new generation'.
Agreed. The huge regional differences within "Chinese" also tend to be glossed over, especially Mainland vs Hong Kong. I recall some good discussion hereabouts at the time of the first Bananas conference that introduced me to the "1.5er" concept.
Mind you we do the same when we use the blunt label "Pacific" - or even "Maori" for that matter, as if iwi are all the same.
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Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
Here's the transcript. Lee was frankly ghastly in that interview.
Sadly, have to agree -- but Shearer was no better. And the whole show (the first time I've lasted more than five minutes) was, as the kids say, epic fail.
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James Littlewood*
From: Auckland
Since: Mar 2008
Posts: 119
Meanwhile, in the midst of recession, Sarkozy announces his plan to convert Paris into an eco-city of the future, founded on the principles of "truth, beauty and grandeur."
Translation: $35 bn on rail improvements over 12 years.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
Lee was frankly ghastly in that interview.
In the context of my complaints here yesterday about the bias of the show, it is worth noting that Holmes felt compelled to mention Shearer's experience under fire.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
And the whole show (the first time I've lasted more than five minutes) was, as the kids say, epic fail.
Agree - although that was a particularly egregious example. I do wish the cult of celebrity had less sway and we could have a host with the wisdom to shut up and let the guests speak. He has to be one of the worst interviewers I've ever laid eyes on.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
Having said which, you'd also need a host with the wisdom to stop guests like Lee steamrolling over the others.
So the big issue for Mount Albert is ... Laura Norder? Based upon 50,000 reported cases last year (of what?) for the whole of Auckland City, and "what happened in Napier"?
Set sail for fail indeed.
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Martin Roberts
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 36
My wife and I are quite disappointed in the lack of local candidates. Lee feels like a ring-in, simply because she wasn't the grafter we've seen establishing a base in the last two elections when we all knew Clark was on her way out. Shearer feels the most legitimate to me in that respect, partly because it would have been hard for Labour to establish a new person until right now.
Hard, that is, unless Helen went onto the list. Nobody seems to think this was practical - presumably it would be seen as 'losing'? I personally reckon that you shouldn't have enough time to lead anything but the smallest party and be an electorate MP, so voted against her on principle (which didn't give me many credible options, let me tell you - apparently no aspiring candidate or party thought they could make my argument fly - perhaps too ).
My opinion here militates against Norman in the by-election, although on a marginal-adjustment-to-caucus-sizes basis I'd quite like another Green MP.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
It's actually a pretty safe bet for any pollie to talk about safety - regularly comes up as number one item when urban Councils conduct their Community Outcomes processes.
Might come across in the current situation as a cynically populist distraction from other pressing topical concerns - oh, like whether to drive a six lane highway through the area, or gut the current local body democratic arrangements.
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Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
Might come across in the current situation as a cynically populist distraction from other pressing topical concerns - oh, like whether to drive a six lane highway through the area, or gut the current local body democratic arrangements.
So, it's not "cynically populist" to play up to the NIMBY vote and engage in what can most politely be described as hysterical scaremongering?
NIMBY is a pejorative that planners and politicians can and do use to dismiss any and all concerns grounded in the fact that people care about their neighbourhoods, and what happens in them.
One person's NIMBY is another's place-protective action, or a third person's valiant struggle to defend local environmental quality and neighbourhood character.
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Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
NIMBY is a pejorative that planners and politicians can and do use to dismiss any and all concerns grounded in the fact that people care about their neighbourhoods, and what happens in them.
Being neither a politician nor a planner, its a pejorative I apply to people who want all the conveniences of the First World and air scented with cinnamon unicorn farts as long as they're in no way inconvenienced. Fuck 'em, dear.
We can just put all that shit in the backyard of poor ethnic trash in crapholes nobody who matters could find on a map, let alone care about.
Last I checked, Waterview wasn't all that arrogantly affluent, but whatevs.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
So, it's not "cynically populist" to play up to the NIMBY vote
Well, yes, but in a different way. They're all politicians, after all.
So, it's not "cynically populist" to play up to the NIMBY vote and engage in what can most politely be described as hysterical scaremongering?
Actually, it's Not-Over-My-BackYard. 40m underground in my backyard, that's fine.
It's a serious distinction, though. If they were real NIMBYs, they'd try to get the road back through Rosebank. They're not. They just want the impact of the tunnel to be mitigated by burying it underground.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
Does Nimbyism really include wanting to put a motorway underground rather than in someone else's neighbourhood altogether?
I wonder at the social effect of Auckland's motorway network when I hear stories about all the long-demolished student flats in Newton and Grafton gullies, or see the bifurcated communities from any trip on the Southern motorway.
Yes, transport that benefits many will inevitably impose some costs on the locals. It's just that the cost-benefit equation has to make it worthwhile, and as Joshua points out, the Waterview case is pretty shaky on that front. Be nice if someone had invested the same effort into analysing his alternative rail option.
But, oh no, we all know that transport is only about cars, surely. Joshua's story about who is paying for changes to Tamaki Drive should make clear that transport is very much a topical local council issue.
As for concern about the biggest change in Auckland's local body arrangements in a very long time, hard to see how that qualifies as Nimbyish unless you're buying into the whole jafa crap, Craig.
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Sacha
From: Ak
Since: May 2008
Posts: 5308
Snap.
Joshua Arbury has already had a look at this issue on his excellent Auckland Transport Blog (hit me if he doesn't become Auckland's Transport Czar in 20 years time).
Ouuu... excellent. Thanks for that.
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