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Posted at 10:03AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

On June 27, a remarkable lineup of DJs, performers and punters will convene in Auckland for Take Me Back, a celebration of the culture around The Box and Cause Celebre, the twin clubs that defined Auckland's High Street life in the 80s and 90s. Simon Grigg, co-founder of both venues, recalls the good times on High Street.

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I remember one night about 1993, I think it was a fairly quiet early morning, mid week, I was sitting or leaning outside the door of Cause Celebre, likely on the Herald box which served a useful purpose, chatting about not very much to Roseti, our head doorman (and a gentle giant who is much missed), when two arms wrapped themselves loosely around me and a very drunk John Hurt placed a wet kiss on my cheek, shouting “dear boy, it’s been ages ...”

I’d met him very, and I mean extremely, briefly, about a decade earlier at an opening in London, and, yes, he was a wee bit pissed then too. That he remembered me was very doubtful but I guess it was one of those Cause Celebre things.

I smiled and waved him down into the darkness.

Cause Celebre and Box (it was officially just Box but everyone referred to it as The Box, so that’s what it’s become) were nightclubs. That’s what our ACC designation said, or more precisely as I recall: A venue for people to gather, drink and listen to or dance to music.

But somewhere they developed a life beyond that. There were lots of clubs around Auckland at the time but pretty much all largely forgotten, as is the way with such places. For some reason this particular one, or more correctly, two in one, seems to have a reputation that’s held and maybe even grown over the past decade. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that as The Hacienda was to Manchester, Cause Celebre and The Box have become to the Queen City.

I was rather uncomfortable writing this as it felt a little egotistical and self-anointing but on reflection I realised this club worked because it wasn’t about the owners and to celebrate it’s 20th anniversary isn’t about us at all. Ok, we were the facilitators perhaps (and wore the financial burden…because it rarely made money), but because of the philosophy we inherited and built on we were never more than part of the reason people still write about or talk about a couple of pretty dark and grotty rooms downstairs at 33 High Street in Auckland city.

Cause Celebre and The Box were really the culmination of the thing that Mark Phillips and Peter Urlich started at the legendary A Certain Bar in 1980, upstairs in an old DB pub in Albert Street. It had opened its doors primarily as a gathering point for like-minded people to hang and listen to fairly cutting edge music in a non-threatening environment. A simple concept really, but Auckland offered nothing like it before. If they hadn’t invented it at the time, it may well have invented itself out of need, because there was such a swell of energy, mostly kids (meaning 18-25), who’d come out of the punk and post punk scenes, but older creative sorts too, that needed an alternative to the booze barns and the Queen Street clubs where faceless DJs played Top 40, or bands played mediocre cover versions of those hits. The punk scene had, rather radically for Auckland, offered this freedom and it grew from there.

This alternative club scene grew rapidly throughout the decade and I found myself DJing at a few of Mark and Peter’s places simply because I had the records and enjoyed playing them to people...there were a bunch of clubs: Zanzibar, The Six Month Club, The Brat, Mantrap, Berlin and Roma, as the scene jumped from venue to venue, with an average six-month life span.

I’d left Peter and Mark and jumped into bed, if you will, with my old mate Tom Sampson, and a young DJ, Roger Perry, who’d learnt his chops from Russell Crowe at The Venue in Symonds Street. In 1986 we opened The Asylum, the first club to play House Music in NZ, and then, a year later, The Playground in Nelson Street (in what is now the two floors underneath Toto), before deciding, as the economy crashed down around us, that we needed somewhere more permanent.

The economic turmoil offered us the old Club Mirage, former home of the now penniless stockbroker set, and, after the traders’ expense accounts had dried up, almost bust.

We took it over on 9 December 1988 and reopened immediately as The Siren. The self-anointed doyens of glitz, in their mouthpiece, Metro’s Felicity Ferrit, snarled that we were the Hell Hole of High Street (their gold cards had been revoked and they were not pleased) and we used their disapproval in our advertising as a badge of honour.

One afternoon, shortly after we’d opened, Tom and I lifted a curtain (at the back of the coat check) to find a door, which we forced open. Beyond it we found a large, musty, long sealed room (complete with an unfortunate dead cat in the middle of what would be the dancefloor) and we set about tracking down the owners. This, the former RSA basement had been shut off when they didn’t have the members to fill it anymore and they’d moved a few years earlier. We rented what was essentially dead basement space, moved the cat, painted the floor with bright red rubber based paint to give it an extra bounce, bought in a new celebrity barman, the infamous Hat, late of the Dean Martini Club, and installed a new Gavin Chilcott and Ann Sampson designed interior in The Siren.

We then made the fateful, and thoroughly unsound business decision, to allow the club to be primarily driven by the music. Both sides of the club would have an uncompromising musical policy. The Box, the new room, would have DJs, who would play contemporary and credible dance music without any demands on them to play the hits or cheese, pretty much as we’d tried to do over the previous years; and Cause Celebre, the old Siren, would feature jazz...not the soft mush that often passes for jazz, but the cream of Auckland’s jazz scene playing very late sets, often through to dawn as the 90s went on.

So through Celebre over the next years went the very young and precocious Nathan and Joel Haines, Mark de Clive Lowe, Greg Johnson & Bluespeak, Murray McNabb’s magnificent Quartets, and, as we stretched the policy from jazz, the Fuemana family, a pre-hits Supergroove, Che Fu on his own, Upper Hutt Posse, Lava Lava and dozens more. I look back with some pride at what became the epicentre of what was happening musically in our late night city (and beyond as these acts often went on to sell records around the world … in the case of Paul Fuemana, millions).

Next door in The Box, Rob Salmon, Greg Churchill and others played regular eight hour sets that are still talked about on the dance forums.

But we struggled. Tom, Ann, Kevin and myself, for the first two years also cleaned the place … night after night we’d finish at 4am and be back at 1pm the next day to ready it for the night. We loaded the fridges, cleaned the loos, we battled grumpy landlords, Auckland’s less than helpful council, and the IRD but somehow made it through.

Over the next decade or so a culture built up around the club. Our door policy was simple: if you understood you were in … we had a personality code rather than a dress code and women were, and this was as important to us as the music, hopefully made to feel safe. This all attracted the cream of the creative industries in Auckland, many of whom, the writers, the musicians, the TV people, the designers and so on, and the people who wanted to hang in that sort of atmosphere, made this their second home at night and on weekends.

Writer Chad Taylor commented recently that he used to give out the phone number at Cause Celebre as a business contact.

And the touring artists and actors could be found here … seeing Tom Jones at the bar buying David Soul a drink didn’t really draw much comment.

But mostly it was about the music and the extended family it drew. High Street became quite the centre of something rather special for a while, and it was in an era where the most munted punters seemed to get was a beer or two too many, or a joint too much. In those rather more innocent years there were few green kids seen staggering up the stairs, as you find in the more drug-swamped later years of Auckland clubbing.

In a decade the real only violence we had inside were a couple of scratching fracases between hairdressers over girl, or boy, friends. Aside, of course from the big one which involved a member of The Stray Cats, Eric Clapton and Jimmy Barnes’ sister.

Somewhere around 1991 UK style mag, I-D, named Cause Celebre and The Box as one the world’s best ten clubs. We smiled. Take that Felicity Ferrit.

Twenty years after we opened, like Woodstock, the number of people who claimed to have spent just about every hour we were open there seems to be on the increase again, which is fine with me. Whatever, but over the decade or so it mattered it was home to literally thousands of people including the regular crew who were waiting outside on Friday or Saturday night and stayed on the dancefloor until we closed at six am. Some of those haunt this forum.

I guess it has a legacy, but mostly I just like the pictures or the stories you hear….like this one from Tom Sampson:

I remember the night that Kenneth, whose claim to fame as an amateur actor and professional barfly was that he knew Harvey Keitel, came to us one night to pass on that Harvey had asked if we could tell our barman Kurt to please refrain from yelling Yo! Iris every time he went near the bar, as the Taxi Driver references were passé in 1990.

I think I’ve still got one of Harvey’s credit card receipts tucked away somewhere…

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Russell Brown
From: Auckland
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Posted at 10:03AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I missed most of the Box/Celebre era through being either out of the country or back with a young family, but I do recall coming back for the summer of 1989 all fizzed up with the acid house revolution.

I staged a couple of big house parties at the Power Station, under the name Housequake!, and we pulled 1200 people to the second one.

You might have expected the guy running the town's hippest club would have been a bit antsy about that (especially seeing as I was a bit "nightclubs are bullshit" at the time), but Simon's response was to warmly congratulate me. I'm sure he's forgotten it, but I thought he was very cool about it. But then, he's a cool dude.

Whoops
From: here
Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 47

Posted at 10:21AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Surprisingly, this brought back some memories.

All of them happy. Thanks.

MikeE
From: Kingsland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 101

Posted at 10:25AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I'ev just posted this on NZRave.com with a link back here, hope you don't mind, def think this is something a new generation of clubbers should read...

3410
From: Auckland
Since: Jan 2007
Posts: 1321

Posted at 10:25AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Those were the days, my friend. Three or four nights a week cruising downtown at about midnight with two packs of Marlboro Reds, and drinking 'til dawn. Thanks, Hat, for all the Chartreuse. Sometimes I wonder how it is that I'm still alive.

Musically, fondest memories are the Nathan Haines band fronted by Joel when Nathan was off in NY or somewhere; like a low-rent Bitches-Brew-meets-Band-of-Gypsys. That drummer Tony was a nice geezer, wasn't he?

Alan Perrott
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 117

Posted at 10:25AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

ooo, good times indeed Simon...loved your work.

Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 9067
Moderator

Posted at 10:26AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I'ev just posted this on NZRave.com with a link back here, hope you don't mind, def think this is something a new generation of clubbers should read...

Thanks Mike. That's a nice thing to do.

Millycent
From: huh?
Since: Mar 2009
Posts: 2

Posted at 11:07AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Ah the memories... I've got some fantastic photographs taken down at Celebre and the Box that I haven't gone through for a while, I'll have to see if I can find them this weekend. No doubt it'll bring on the 'wonder what happened to....' moments and I'm grinning already just thinking about it.

What great times we had dancing the night away down there. Makes me feel positively old just thinking about it now!

Gareth Ward
From: Auckland, NZ
Since: Mar 2007
Posts: 1379

Posted at 11:14AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

As someone who came relatively late to the Box and Celebre (mid-later90s) due to birthdate can I just say a genuine Thanks for building it to such an institution in time for my poorly-botched "ID" to be usable.
While there's always great enjoyment to be had in being at the vanguard of something like that, it also meant a lot of fun to those of us who hit it at it's later peak.

Any house record I've subsequently played was kicked off by exposure to sets by the Robs, Soane, Claire, and Greg et al down there. Chur

Tom Beard
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 686

Posted at 11:23AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Ah, so many memories. Actually, no: I only lived briefly in Auckland in the mid-90s, and combined with the fact that very few of my circle shared my love for electronic music, that meant that I very rarely made it to The Box. One moment did stand out for me though: a veritable rainstorm of distilled perspiration puring down on the dancefloor as we did our best to dance to Moby's "Thousand". I think I permanently broke something that night.

A few years later, I was staying with a friend who lived (illegally) in his small office/studio space several floors above The Box (though I'm not sure whether it had become something else by then). It was a distinctively muggy Auckland night, and the venue was hosting an album launch party for Prodigy's "Fat of the Land". I've always made a moral point of not complaining about bar noise when I live in the inner city, but by about 4am I found myself leaning out the window shouting "I know you're the f*cking Firestarter, now shut the f*ck up!"

Tom Semmens
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1094

Posted at 11:35AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Hiya Simon - could you fire me an email - tom.semmens@biggie.net.nz please?

Thanks!

FletcherB
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 530

Posted at 11:36AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Musically, fondest memories are the Nathan Haines band fronted by Joel when Nathan was off in NY or somewhere; like a low-rent Bitches-Brew-meets-Band-of-Gypsys. That drummer Tony was a nice geezer, wasn't he?

Me too... they were called Freebase or Freebass ? I was not a frequent customer, only saw them 2 or 3 times

A tune would go on for 20 or 30 minutes, and they were just improvising so wildly that you could one moment be thinking "wow, this is the most vibrant exciting mind blowing thing I've ever heard in my life" and then a little later it would be "man you guys are playing dross, get your shit together" and then back to mind-blowing again... all in the same piece.

Those good bits are still the most energized I've ever been from music.

I was there one night when quite a few of the visiting professional musos from some touring Australian show came down after their gig to join in and have a blow with them.... They did add some bits but were frequently quite a bit lost as to how they could join in.... but had the sense to shut up rather than ruin it.

Good times indeed.

Jim Cathcart
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 65

Posted at 11:50AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Whatever happened to the Hat? First went to Cause Celebre with a band of Whangarei roughnecks with our small town attitudes and egos. I think we all went back north with a different view of the world after that night.

Blake Monkley
From: Auckland
Since: Jul 2008
Posts: 191

Posted at 11:57AM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Simon, you forgot to mention the pool table.

But then, he's a cool dude.

I'll second that.

Robyn Gallagher
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1310

Posted at 12:14PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

When I first moved to Auckland in 1997, I used to go out dancing at the Box. But because I was never off my face, I never really enjoyed it. It was just jigging about with a bunch of people I didn't really know very well. It seemed like following a template for a good night out, but not actually managing to have a good time. At the time, I wrote about it on my website.

But now I like having a good kanikani with my friends.

Julian Melville
From: Auckland
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 117

Posted at 12:53PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I never made it to the clubs themselves, but I loved the Freebass album that was recorded there. It disappeared with an old girlfriend in the mid 90's.

I managed to put it back together years later -- the cover came from the department store over the road from Sydney Town Hall (they couldn't find the CD so they gave me the cover) and the CD came from a discount store in Coffs Harbour.

A bit of persistence pays off in the end!

FletcherB
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 530

Posted at 12:56PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I still play my Freebass CD occasionally... it's good stuff..... but it wasnt half as good as what I heard live the few times I saw them.

It really was special.

3410
From: Auckland
Since: Jan 2007
Posts: 1321

Posted at 1:02PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Me too... they were called Freebase or Freebass ?

I think Freebass was something different, though likely some of the same people involved. Freebass had a live tape -- from that upstairs place on Ponsonby Road (?) -- which I played a lot, before the CD, if memory serves.

Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 9067
Moderator

Posted at 1:06PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

The earlier clubs in the lineage noted by Simon have their stories too. I remember being Christchurch and hearing and reading about A Certain Bar. David Swift of The Press came back from a holiday to Auckland and eagerly informed us of this totally-now bar where he'd heard this totally-awesome song called 'The Message'.

I went there later, after I'd moved to Auckland. I was there the night that The Body Electric played, and a somewhat worse-for-wear Barry Jenkin disapproved so strongly that he unplugged the stage power lead. I don't recall what happened after that ...

Apart from the evil prick who ran security there for a long time, Zanzibar was a fun place. I ended up there a lot after hours. The song I always associate with that place is Stephanie Mills' 'Pilot Error', as dropped by Mr Urlich.

Simon Grigg
From: Just another klong...
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2152

Posted at 1:16PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Cheers all.

Simon, you forgot to mention the pool table.

U2 bought it in when they hired Celebre and we argued against it but it never left

Freebass

was the band that Nathan and Joel played with before Nathan and The Enforcers. It was led by the Harrop Brothers and grew out of Jazz Committee, which the Harrops and The Haines played in as teens...Joel early teens. They released the album RAW: Live at Cause Celebre on Kane Massey and Mark Tierney's Deepgrooves label, which is long deleted now, although I managed to track down a copy on Ebay this week to replace my long missing copy.

That drummer Tony was a nice geezer, wasn't he?

Tony Hopkins, a rather legendary figure in NZ music who'd played with countless people including Johnny Devlin & The Devils. That was one of the highs of CC for me, hanging with those sorts of guys..Frank Gibson, Tommy Addlerly, Bruno Lawrence and many more faces of the NZ music scene when I was a kid. Without exception they were wonderful and Tom, Ann & I used to sit and listen to the stories for hours

Housequake!

I loved Housequake..fantastic parties which just added to the breadth of what we were all trying to do. You were able to use the 'just back from London' angle, which worked wonders back then, to take the music we were pushing to a wider audience..they were important gigs. I think when they happened we were all pretty positive about anything which pushed what we (and I mean others like Jason Miller and Grant Fell too with their parties at the Railway Station circa 89/90) saw, rightly or wrongly, as a something musically important.

Simon Grigg
From: Just another klong...
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2152

Posted at 1:21PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I was there the night that The Body Electric played, and a somewhat worse-for-wear Barry Jenkin disapproved so strongly that he unplugged the stage power lead. I don't recall what happened after that ...

I booked that gig and Alan Janson and I have been mates ever since. Barry hated it. I love Barry but his world kinda narrowed after the end of the punk thing. Apparently at the AK79 reunion he was telling me off, to my face, for bringing disco to NZ. Apart from the fact that I'm a million miles from being responsible for that, I wasn't even at the gig...he was berating an innocent party

Ian Dalziel
From: Christchurch
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 405

Posted at 1:39PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

It does get in...

'The Message'.

that's "flashed" up on two threads in two days now - giving Oedipus a run for his money
- Ha uh hah hah ha : )

...and Russell fond memories (well fragments of flashbacks really) of the 6 Month Club after RIU deadlines, too...

But remember we had Greg Churchill in Chch for years first - I still have some of the posters (Dominator amongst others) I put together for him for those fun nights upstairs at Noahs. (and didn't Tony Peake have a club also called Zanzibar down here ...)

I guess on the planet Solaris these clubs are all still going - in space no one can hear you scream...
right?

yrs
Fayed Toogrey

Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 9067
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Posted at 1:39PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Simon, re Barry: LOL.

Tim Michie
From: Auckward
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 237

Posted at 1:44PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

That combination of jazz/dance was just right for those nights. Surf the jazz at Celebre and hit the dancefloor for a bit if the energy flagged. Nothing like finding something so groovy in the early hours.

I went maybe 10 times, a real treat I had the dosh and the nerve...

Gone but not forgotten.

Thanks Simon et al.

Mikaere Curtis
From: Tamaki Makaurau
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 297

Posted at 2:23PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

For the longest time it seemed that whenever we went into town, we'd always seem to end up at Cause Celebre / Box. As others have mentioned, the jazz was fantastic, especially in the wee smalls. The vibe was great too, chilled and upbeat at the same time. The only thing I remember about the band was that the (very awesome) guitarist was flown of to LA to session on Tim Finn's "Persuasion" single. The lead break is very crisp.

I met my wife at a gig at Temple. After the gig, we all piled down to Cause Celebre and had a really good time. I'll never forget that night...

Danielle
From: PAS Women's XV Strategic Headquarters
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2249

Posted at 2:25PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I think I only went there once! I wasn't 20 until late 1994, and my fake ID only worked at the Power Station... and until 1996 I was all into moody guitar music. I missed out, clearly.

Still, since we're in a S. Grigg Appreciation Thread, Simon once dedicated a song to me in 1998, during Beats Per Minute, when I was in Baton Rouge and very homesick, listening on the tubes. Thanks dude. :)

Danielle
From: PAS Women's XV Strategic Headquarters
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 2249

Posted at 2:27PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

(very awesome) guitarist was flown of to LA to session on Tim Finn's "Persuasion" single. The lead break is very crisp

I always liked that solo! I must dig it out when I get home tonight...

Andre
From: New Zealand
Since: May 2009
Posts: 127

Posted at 2:43PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

I used to hang out there far too much. I flatted with Jmmy Joy and that's how I met Simon in1987. Jimmy dragged me up to The Playground and then Berlin and then The Siren - it was like the scene just jumped clubs every six months. Then I shifted into a flat downstairs from Sasi who worked on the door at the Siren and we'd go there almost every night. We'd head to Roma a bit too, but the scene that ran the first big dance parties really revolved around High Street. De Bretts Corner Bar was the focal point. I went to Christchurch for 3 years and met up with Fish when he was setting up the Worcester Bar at Noahs and saw Greg Churchill play his first gigs there. He's still awesome. Then i came back in 1991 and hung out at The Box and Cause Celebre almost every night until 1996, when I emigrated to Wellington. Squid and The Dragon Bar were the other clubs that drew similar punters. De Bretts was asset stripped by Ken Chambers and turned into a back packers and it was like the guts being ripped out of the scene. The Escape Club and Galatos both arrived with the latter bringing the scene to K Rd mirrored by clubs like Staircase. I'd go dancing at The Box for 6 hours and then stand outside to cool down and have these drunken rambling conversations with Simon, Soane & Tim until closing. On other nights we'd play pool and drink Kevin's cocktails while listening to Nathan & Joel. We smoked a lot of weed and took acid but it was a much different scene to today's. We'd go out and get wasted sometimes but never got wasted to go out. I saw Kevin a couple of years ago and he was running functions on a boat from Princes Wharf and looked happy, dapper and much the same. I first met him at Le Bom. He was a touch of class - as where all of the crew that worked at The Box & Cause Celebre BITD...

stephen walker
From: tokyo
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 523

Posted at 3:50PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

Zanzibaar. i loved that place.
it was Clive's baby but Mark&Peter, Simon, Roger, et al used to do great ealry sets before Clive spun the discs.

the thing about Zanzibaar that i really liked was that it inherrited two separate strands of the dance scene and in AK with wicked results. IIRC, A Certain Bar was going on downstairs at the DB while Clive was doing his 70s disco-inspired stuff upstairs at the same time. ACB was mainly post-punk and white, while Clive's crowd was largely (but not all) brown and more US music focused.

IMO, Six Month Club, the Civic clubs, Nelson St. clubs and Asylum were all inheritors of what started at the DB and then Zanzibaar.

And of course Box/CC. great place. had forgotten all about the Hat. Great place.

(can i also put in a little plug for the original Quays? especially in its early incarnation 83/84. we went there (and the Venue) a fair amount. and Mainstreet when they had underage gigs :-)

p.p.s. and my sister would mention the Peppermill, which had a resident band around 82-83: Ardijah.

Alan Perrott
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 117

Posted at 4:12PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

while we're reminiscing can I tip my hat to DJ Big Matt's nights at the Monitor Room on Lorne St?

top, top bloke and top toons.

bob daktari
From: auckland
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 42

Posted at 4:21PM on 22 May 09. Permalink.

great music and door policy (shorts friendly)... just how a club should be.

Great post thanks Simon

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