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Hard News: Our new strategy is to FAIL

Several times in the past few years, I have recommended the subscription music download service at eMusic.com. Indeed, at times I've asked readers to allow me to refer them to it, so I get bonus downloads.

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Matthew Poole
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Why yes, now that you ask, I am cynical about the major labels' commitment to fulfilling their customers' desires.

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Russell Brown
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Depends on what you mean by "everyone" (and for that matter "pay"), there's little need for lawyers, middlemen, or a corporate hierarchy when the artist & the consumer are connected with 0 degrees of separation

Authors and performers still need rights collecting societies. It's simply a practical thing, especially when those societies return about 90% of revenue to rights holders.

But YouTube is already paying the British collecting agency more than it makes on the advertising around each clip. There's just no more money there, no matter how much people complain.

In the case of Spotify, groups like Independent Music New Zealand negotiate licences on behalf of their members; indie labels. There's not a lot of waste there. But there's not a lot of money coming in either.

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Russell Brown
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@Steve Withers: that is (was) one of the nice things about eMusic: it was a completely RIAA-free zone. Still is if you're not in the US.

But you know what? Someone in a position to know (or at least speculate) suggests to me that eMusic has never had the right to sell to New Zealanders. Which would explain certain recent events ...

Although that does cast an even more interesting light on the RIANZ submission's bigging-up of eMusic ...

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Geoff Lealand
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Oh God, please no. Not this again.

Hands up who wants to talk about films instead!

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Emma Hart
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Or perhaps sent to Christchurch / run over by a book racers car and then crushed along with the car.

"My A la Recherche du Temps Perdu can totally kick your Barchester Chronicles's arse!"

Now, that I'd stand on the side of the road to watch.

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Joe Wylie
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"My A la Recherche du Temps Perdu can totally kick your Barchester Chronicles's arse!"

"That asthmatic seeker of lost times forever squatting in a tepid bath of his remembered past and all the stale soap suds of countless previous washings, all the accumulated dirt of years lay crusty on the sides of the tub. And there he sat, scooping up spongefuls of his own thick soup and squeezing it over his face ... like a pious Hindu in the Ganges."

Aldous Huxley, Eyeless in Gaza.

Vrrrroooom!

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Rich Lock
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Pfft.

American muscle is the only way to go in a straght line drag.

I'll go and warm up me Hemingway.

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Joe Wylie
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I'll go and warm up me Hemingway.

With good ol' Papa you get the added insurance of his having been an ambulance driver in WW1.
Just like e. e. cummings.
And Walt Disney.

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Hands up who wants to talk about films instead!

Hum... since the Better Half and I are taking his grand-nephew to see Ponyo on The Cliff by The Sea this morning... Works for me, though whether you can handle a tsunami of Miyazaki-related gush is another matter. :)

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Hands up who wants to talk about films instead!

I had meant to run a dedicated NZIFF blog, but work and my emergency medical excitements got in the way. I'll get up a rolling discussion this morning.

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Russell Brown
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And back OT, I gather Dylan Reeve of the should-a.com site has reached an agreement with the Electoral Enrolment Centre on the use of its imagery.

The disclaimer now reads:

This site is intended for the purposes of parody and to criticism of the August 2009 Citizens Initiated Referendum. Images are created by site contributors and are not endorsed by anyone else.

Orange Elector is © Crown Copyright - Source: Elections NZ - This site is not affiliated with Elections NZ in any way.

So it's not "Orange Election Man", it's the non-gendered "Orange Elector". Ah.

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Craig Ranapia
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I had meant to run a dedicated NZIFF blog, but work and my emergency medical excitements got in the way. I'll get up a rolling discussion this morning.

Speaking of which, how much do you think the director formerly known as Zowie Bowie would rather talk about his movie than his father? Duncan Jones is a damn sight more graceful than I'd be...

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Hum... since the Better Half and I are taking his grand-nephew to see Ponyo on The Cliff by The Sea this morning...

... and wondering how a ten-year-old is going to handle subtitled Japanese. I think we was so thoroughly gob-smacked by the visual splendour of Howl's Moving Castle at the Civic a few years back, that following the dialogue (or the story) was completely beside the point.

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Joe Wylie
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... and wondering how a ten-year-old is going to handle subtitled Japanese.

Ponyo certainly worked its magic on a 10 yr old female Around Here. Knows & appreciates a totally radical take on The Little Mermaid when she sees it. 8 yr old brother somewhat underwhelmed though.

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My five-year-old daughter loves Spirited Away (dubbed, not subtitled). She spent the first half of the movie asking for it to be turned off every 10 minutes because it was too scary, then 30 seconds later saying "I'm ready for it again."

And my nephew, who is half Japanese, does a good line in taking providing simultaneous explanation (like translation, but a bit more general) when watching unsubtitled Japanese DVDs with his grandparents.

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Lyndon Hood
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it's the non-gendered "Orange Elector"

Well having examined his photos carefully, I agree he's not anatomically male...

Maybe they're just trying to avoid rule 34

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Lyndon Hood
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In 2005 the listener interviewed the 'Orange Elections Man'.

Which came up in my fruitless google for 'Orange Election Man porn'

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giovanni tiso
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So it's not "Orange Election Man", it's the non-gendered "Orange Elector". Ah.

And yet questions remain.

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Sacha
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rofflenui

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Russell Brown
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Snort.

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But you know what? Someone in a position to know (or at least speculate) suggests to me that eMusic has never had the right to sell to New Zealanders. Which would explain certain recent events ...

Although that does cast an even more interesting light on the RIANZ submission's bigging-up of eMusic ...

Yes, we tried to interview eMusic for Music 101 on RNZ last year - thinking: "finally, a business model which might work!' After the PR person initially being keen-as, they came back & declined because they didn't want the coverage in a territory they didn't actually have covered off. (I wasn't here yesterday for this discussion, hence late contribution)

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Rich Lock
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Just like e. e. cummings.

e.e. cummings might not be the best choice of driver for our book racer team....

she being Brand

-new;and you
know consequently a
little stiff i was
careful of her and(having

thoroughly oiled the universal
joint tested my gas felt of
her radiator made sure her springs were O.

K.)i went right to it flooded-the-carburetor cranked her

up,slipped the
clutch(and then somehow got into reverse she
kicked what
the hell)next
minute i was back in neutral tried and

again slo-wly;bare,ly nudg. ing(my

lev-er Right-
oh and her gears being in
A 1 shape passed
from low through
second-in-to-high like
greasedlightning)just as we turned the corner of Divinity

avenue i touched the accelerator and give

her the juice,good

(it

was the first ride and believe i we was
happy to see how nice she acted right up to
the last minute coming back down by the Public
Gardens i slammed on

the
internalexpanding
&
externalcontracting
brakes Bothatonce and

brought allofher tremB
-ling
to a:dead.

stand-
;Still)

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Joe Wylie
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i slammed on
the
internalexpanding
&
externalcontracting
brakes Bothatonce

Forced handbrake stop - what a hoon, I had no idea.
Also a bit of a dirty bugger. Respect!

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I had meant to run a dedicated NZIFF blog, but work and my emergency medical excitements got in the way. I'll get up a rolling discussion this morning.

Thanks, Russell. I didn't want to come across all impertinent.

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Graeme Edgeler
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So it's not "Orange Election Man", it's the non-gendered "Orange Elector". Ah.

I'm pretty sure it's both. And Orange Guy, or Orange Elections Guy.

And occasionally something like Schachengrubensteinowitz.

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Thanks, Russell. I didn't want to come across all impertinent.

Geoff, I regard you as very pertinent indeed ...

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The MED discussion paper on S92A is out now.

Money part as follows ...

The Proposed Approach: Summary

Phase 1- First Infringement and Cease and Desist Notice Procedure

Where a RH considers on reasonable grounds that there has been online copyright infringement of one or more of its works, RHs may invoke the section s92A procedure by sending a first infringement notice to an ISP. The notice will contain sufficient details to allow the ISP to identify the subscriber 908455 - 906598 concerned. This notice must then be forwarded by the ISP to the subscriber. If there is further copyright infringement by that subscriber, a RH may send, via the ISP, a cease and desist notice. The subscriber will have an opportunity to reply to either notice by way of a response notice directly to the RH with their name and contact details attached. Upon receiving a response notice, a RH will be required to accept or reject it and inform the subscriber accordingly.

Phase 2- Obtain Copyright Tribunal Order

Where a RH considers on reasonable grounds that there has been further (repeat) copyright infringement by a particular subscriber after a cease and desist notice has been sent, and the subscriber concerned has been provided with an opportunity to respond by way of a response notice, a RH may apply to the Copyright Tribunal to obtain an order requiring the ISP to provide the name and contact details of the alleged copyright infringer (the subscriber).

Phase 3- Copyright Tribunal

A RH may then register an infringement complaint with the Copyright Tribunal which will ensure that the infringement complaint complies with requirements in statute/regulation. A RH may then notify the subscriber that an allegation of repeat copyright infringement has been lodged against them. The subscriber will have an opportunity to respond to the allegation and to elect to proceed to mediation. The Copyright Tribunal will be convened unless agreed otherwise. The Copyright Tribunal, in addition to available relief by way of damages, injunctions, account of profits or otherwise, may consider ordering a subscriber to pay a fine or an ISP to terminate the subscriber’s internet account.

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That seems like a good compromise to me. It promises to be a bit of labored process therefore minor crims will probably be left alone - or have the chance to stop being naughty dicks and start buying music and renting DVDs like good citizens!

It seems so weird to me that a lot of people genuinely think buying music is a drag. Buying a new CD with birthday money from grandma was the greatest thrill I could have as teenager.

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Jake Pollock
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This Billboard article does a good job detailing some of the effects of eMusic's album pricing as described above. I'm trying to find some info on how many subscribers followed through on their threats and actually jumped ship.

Also, apparently the 're-downloading' your music has caveats on it now.

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Geoff Lealand
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It seems so weird to me that a lot of people genuinely think buying music is a drag.

I agree but my buying practice must seem archaic to many young 'uns. I buy CDs (sometimes online; sometimes from a store), transfer them to my iPod and seldom play them again. Still, I like the CD as a physical object--the case and inserts. It may well be like the arguments over the e-book vs the paper book--all about tactile pleasures, portability, sharing etc.

Nevertheless , I remain ambivalent about older models of the music industry, as they have screwing us for so long in respect of the actual-per-unit-cost of yer average CD (especially the out-of-license back catalogue), and the pitiful share artists get from the majors profit margin.

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