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Posted at 3:17PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Yes, thank you, such a deserved filleting. Young and dumb, but taking pride in being "White".
Nauseating. Where do we contribute to the shock collar fund?

Posted at 3:20PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

What is about "White Pride" advocates that always makes you think that if these sad clowns really are the ubermensch, then the world is very likely headed to hell in a handbasket.

Posted at 3:21PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

If a European youth was found vandalising property: "We'd probably say `Hey, what are you doing? That's not really the white way'."

I'm waiting for them to try this, and see where it gets them. I'm also imagining them seeing a PI youth vandalising property and saying "Goodo, carry on son, that's the brown way".

Posted at 3:30PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

I think I've seen these patrols. It consisted of one skinny angry bonehead wearing black and walking his dog around Riccarton & Hagley Park. This was about 2years ago or more.

He moved with purpose and meanace.

This was the reason I wasn't allowed to put political placards on my front lawn during elections. A bit of self sensorship or descretion and the welfare of the kids need to be taken into account.

I find it interesting Kyle Chapman has moved into being a Mormon. I'm pretty sure they have a survivalist attitude, probably born of the deprevation that comes from a bad harvest in a fronteer existence.
Still guns and food stockpiles are within the Mormon religion.

The guy apparently leaves the NF behind and becomes a Mormon and so none of his family attend the wedding. Now that's strange.

Posted at 3:30PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

The weird thing is, I can recall a time when it was Auckland, not Christchurch, that had the skinhead types.

We had loads of white trash there, but they all had shaggy 'dos.

Also: New Brighton is quite strange. I had a great afternoon there with a friend recently, but some of those streets look kinda ... unloved. With all the mortgagee sales on the go, I couldn't see why bohemians weren't descending on the place for the super-cheap housing. But they're not.

Posted at 3:36PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

If a European youth was found vandalising property: "We'd probably say `Hey, what are you doing? That's not really the white way'."

Budding property developer maybe?
I suppose it's all white if the vandalising makes a profit.

Posted at 3:46PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Budding property developer

I always laugh when someone uses that phrase, as if there are some kinds of people who can only reproduce asexually.

Posted at 3:50PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

I suppose it's all white if the vandalising makes a profit.

This is Christchurch. If it doesn't, the council will bail you out anyway.

Posted at 3:58PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Ooh ooh, I know this one. Its sarcasm isn't it?

Looks like Emma is on form

Posted at 4:01PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Still, according to Bob Parker, you don't exist. How does that make you feel?

Not quite. According to Parker, these geese are "Well-meaning amateurs" who could easily become "loose cannons". Well-meaning - what mealy-mouthed rubbish. Let's not forget that the party at Edgeware Road in May of 2007, which lead to the deaths of two high school students and injury to others, was run by white supremacists. A deliberately provocative sign at the gate telling non-whites to stay out was no more well-intentioned than the current pin-headed nonsense that Parker's attempting to play down.

New Brighton is quite strange. I had a great afternoon there with a friend recently, but some of those streets look kinda ... unloved. With all the mortgagee sales on the go, I couldn't see why bohemians weren't descending on the place for the super-cheap housing. But they're not.

I've not lived here long enough to understand why, in contrast to most towns, Christchurch's residential desirability is kind of arse-about, with most low-lying waterfront areas being relegated to the proles. When you ask why, people look resigned and mutter about the easterly.

Posted at 4:03PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Do these fellas fall under the Gang Patch Bill? Or does it only apply if there's a test involving a brown paper bag?

Posted at 4:09PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Your capacity for self-deception, too, is simply fascinating. You said, didn’t you, that:

If a European youth was found vandalising property: "We'd probably say `Hey, what are you doing? That's not really the white way'."

Now, you know that’s total bullshit, really, don’t you? The first time I read that, I thought it was some kind of performance art. Do you actually think all the vandalism in ‘white’ suburbs is done by ‘brown kids’ driving down the Crime Motorway?

Well, there's that, but I take it that they're probably even more afraid of white kids aping teh "black" ways, i.e. getting all jiggy with hip-hop culture. I mean, wasn't this fear of cultural miscegenation a big part of the original, punk-inflected white pride movement in the late '70s? The sense that the one thing worse than a brown kid sporting an afro and saying "I love jah" was a white kid doing the same? Hence the need to create a form of music with all the "black" elements systematically excluded, which is what punk originally was?

So, I get the sense that the boneheads know that it's white kids providing the majority of the graf in New Brighton, and that's why it's so scary -- spiritual and cultural, rather than just physical, infiltration by the Other.

Posted at 4:15PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Christchurch's residential desirability is kind of arse-about, with most low-lying waterfront areas being relegated to the proles

We were on to that whole global warming thing first.

According to Parker...

His remarks are prefaced by: "I would be disturbed to find out that we had a vigilante approach to security going on."

So, I get the sense that the boneheads know that it's white kids providing the majority of the graf in New Brighton, and that's why it's so scary -- spiritual and cultural, rather than just physical, infiltration by the Other.

Ah, it's the coloured paint, isn't it?

Posted at 4:19PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

His remarks are prefaced by: "I would be disturbed to find out that we had a vigilante approach to security going on."

Just as he'd presumably be hypothetically disturbed to discover that Dave "Seventeen Million Dollar Man" Henderson might just be a raving shonk. When you're Bob, the bleeding obvious penetrates at a glacial pace.

Posted at 4:20PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Kyle Chapman has moved into being a Mormon

Mormons regard Polynesians as being amongst the alleged Chosen. I wonder how that sits with Kyle. Keeping track of who is and isn't an ubermensch must be quite hard these days..

Posted at 4:26PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Well, there's that, but I take it that they're probably even more afraid of white kids aping teh "black" ways, i.e. getting all jiggy with hip-hop culture. I mean, wasn't this fear of cultural miscegenation a big part of the original, punk-inflected white pride movement in the late '70s? The sense that the one thing worse than a brown kid sporting an afro and saying "I love jah" was a white kid doing the same? Hence the need to create a form of music with all the "black" elements systematically excluded, which is what punk originally was?

Jah Wobble would be rather surprised to hear that.

(In fact punk was music with all the black elements put back in, going back to real rock music before white American suburbia fucked it all up. Or at least that's the narrative and I really rather think it's much closer to the truth than `punk = white music'.)

Posted at 4:35PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

I partly grew up in North New Brighton. My father was born in South Brighton. New Brighton was the next-best-thing to the city - better even, because the shops opened on Saturdays (when almost nowhere else in the country did.) And it used to be (we *are* talking half a century ago) a thriving really go-ahead kind of a place (my father was president of both the NB Buisnessmen's Association and the NB Workingman's Club at one & the same time, and they were, in a microcosmic way, quite powerful & driving networks.)

The last time I visited New Brighton I expected tumbleweeds to be blowing down the main drag...it had turned into just the kind of place a loser would try to make a name for himself.

Posted at 4:43PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Mormons regard Polynesians as being amongst the alleged Chosen. I wonder how that sits with Kyle.

However it sits with him, his return to racism doesn't sit well with his (soon to be ex-) wife.

Girls just don't like racists, it seems.

Posted at 4:51PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

(In fact punk was music with all the black elements put back in, going back to real rock music before white American suburbia fucked it all up. Or at least that's the narrative and I really rather think it's much closer to the truth than `punk = white music'.)

Well, yeah, that's one narrative, I guess. But a significant part of the aesthetics of punk, especially in the UK in the late '70s, was amping up and accentuating the whiteness of the performers. Take a look at the self-presentation of the Sex Pistols, for instance. Where are the "black elements" in that? The Sex Pistols were part of a reaction to something -- mainstream '70s rock acts who derived their faux-sexuality and sense of implied menace from an appropriation of black personae, in fashion, hair, vocal stylings, and mannerisms. The punk critique involved a deliberate disavowal of what was seen as the self-serving fakeness of this form of racialised cultural appropriation.

So, while I'm certainly not claiming that punk can be reduced to the music of the "white pride" movement, the self-conscious "Whiteness" of the punk performer, and the punk guitarist's self-conscious abnegation of "black" or funk elements in favour of "white noise," aren't things you can just dismiss. They're kind of central.

Posted at 4:53PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

I recon the John Lyndon and Kele Okereke incident put a bit of reality into the punks were hardcore hippies line, popular with Richard Branson et al.

Posted at 4:58PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Derail: one of the catchphrases of racist skinheads in the UK used to be "There ain't no black in the Union Jack!". But that's just because the union flag is s a merging of the flags of England, Scotland, and Wales. If they'd thought to include Cornwall, there would indeed have been black in the Union Jack.

As you were.

Posted at 5:01PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

My absolute favourite bit:

And these ‘sporadic patrols’ of yours. Let me guess. You have a few mates round, drink a few beers, shout at each other about coconuts, and then somebody says, “HEY! Let’s go on, y’know, patrol-thing!” And you stumble around a few blocks scaring old ladies until you get tired and go home. Alone, because you’ve been wearing the same matted black fisherman’s rib jersey since 1987 and no woman will go near you. No, you prefer to hang out with ‘the boys’. Have you considered… no, perhaps we’ll leave that for another session.

This is precisely how it will have been going down. Magnificent piece Emma, thank you.

Also, of possible interest: the pisstake blogsite of the National Frunt.

Posted at 5:02PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Wales isn't on the Union Jack, Ireland is with the St Patricks cross, but of course St Patrick doesn't have a cross.
Dan Brown there is a bad movie in this.

Posted at 5:03PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

We are not Mensch, We are Devo?
New Brighton is not a patch on the old one. Big, brassy and gay as they come and you call that a pier Mr. Parker?
I'm sure Mr Chapman has the best of intentions, if the best he can do is strut around like a peacock and display an intellect of something less pretty.
I just can't see what people see in Christchurch, it just seems so, so... so?...

Posted at 5:13PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

better even, because the shops opened on Saturdays

My father briefly lived in New Brighton during this period, I think in a halfway house after he came out of Sunnyside. I remember it as a bright vibrant shopping area, where you could get Blue Lagoon ice-cream from a little parlour upstairs that had an unthinkable number of flavours - like, more than twenty.

I've been out there a couple of times as an adult for events, but going to anything major becomes a nightmare given the utterly bizarre traffic access to the beachfront area. And yes, that shopping area is now uncomfortably ghost-towny.

Posted at 5:17PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

And the punk bassist's self-conscious appropriation of a good fuck-off dub bass line?

(Obviously PiL being the standard bearers for that sort of thing, but the Clash were hardly a ``white'' band.)

Certainly the Sex Pistols didn't present as black, why should they, they were a bunch of white guys from London. But they didn't try and eliminate black influences or anything from their music.

Posted at 5:17PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

So...leavable.

All my siblings and self did. So have pretty well all my Pakeha cousins.

There is -still- a foetid class system alive & well in the place, and I rather despise it.

Which isnt to say that I dont still have a love affair going with the Pegasus Bay beaches, and the Port Hills. I love the 2 major art galleries, and the museum. I really used to believe that a corpse was decaying under Harper's?Selwyn's? recumbent statue in the Anglican cathedral - it added needed zest to a ghoulish child's life (but could not really compete with the southern stories & places.)

Even so- I'll never go back there (for goodness'sake, they dont even have slot machines on the new pier!)

Posted at 5:18PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Wales isn't on the Union Jack,

Ah. But. Henry the Eighth was Welsh eh? so England and Wales were regarded as a single state.

The Laws in Wales Acts 1536–1543 (Welsh: Y Deddfau Uno 1535 a 1543) were a series of parliamentary measures by which the legal system of Wales was annexed to England and the norms of English administration introduced in order to create a single state and a single legal jurisdiction, which is frequently referred to as England and Wales. The Acts refer in particular to two Acts of Parliament passed in 1536 and 1543 during the reign of King Henry VIII of England, who came from the Welsh Tudor dynasty.

So the flag of St George, being the flag of both England and Wales along with that of St. Andrews golf club (because Henry loved golf, or Goff as it was known)
Later 1801 iirc they included Ireland's St. Patrick flag because they could.

Posted at 5:19PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

I think Lydon is liable to go off at anybody, irrespective of race.

The late-70s British Punk bands were pretty anti-racist - most bands gave some sort of support to Rock against Racism. Some bands (like Sham69) acquired a nazi following despite being left-wing themselves.

Posted at 5:20PM on 27 Oct 09. Permalink.

Steady on Steve. Chur chur is a great place, a few issues and Kyle didn't get as many votes as the Communist in the last election.

Sam F - nice link.

Poor old Brighton existed in a bubble of Saturday trading, when NZ shut on the Weekend. The grand development out there has never recovered from deregulation. The sea water incursion into the stormwater is a looming issue with all it signals too.