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Speaker: It's the recrimination I don't need …

I was on my bike, literally, by the time the post-match interviews were underway. It was a lovely morning, and the streets were quiet between home and Coyle Park, the green area at the point of Point Chevalier. Just the odd glum driver trundling home, those silver fern flags fluttering pointlessly from the windows.

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Russell Brown
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Wow. Another thriller. Wouldn't a France-Argentina rematch in the final be great?

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giovanni tiso
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Wouldn't a France-Argentina rematch in the final be great?

Yes, it would be tremendous. I'm almost glad we lost.

(Seriously, there is such a thing as taking it too maturely, Russell.)

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JP Hansen
From: Waitakere
Since: Nov 2006
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Considering a lot of the comments in the "your views" sections of the NZ Herald website, I'm pleasantly surprised with the results so far on today's reader's poll regarding the next coach.

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Richard Irvine
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Hey I went for a bike ride after the match too - that helped a lot :)

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Jeremy Andrew
From: Hamiltron - City of the Future
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yeah, but Los Pumas need to deal to SA first.

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Don Christie
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And now the Scots are out...

No bile from me as I remember the glorious unpicking of the Woodward Lions not so long ago.

Some points. Tana Umaga never captained a World Cup team. That is a shame and it is a crying shame he did not stick around for this one.

Can someone please give the AB forwards a quicker pick and go game? As a non-rugby viewer sitting next to me said "how can they get points if they just leave the ball lying there?". I do feel that this aspect of the game showed a lack of nerve.

Jim Keyes, rugby writer for the DomPost is an idiot. He seems to think Grog should go. But Henry is the best coach we have and I would dearly like to see him have a role in four years time. Getting shot of him now would be like losing Tana too early. His plans have been working well and will pay dividends going into the future.

I will judge him, He's been brilliant.

Is it too late to say, "God, I need a dram".

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Tim Michie
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I'm with JP,

I'm not going to disown a team (and coach) over this.

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Jeremy Andrew
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Is it too late to say, "God, I need a dram".

No, not too late. Maybe a bit early though - the sun isn't over the yard-arm yet...

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Don Christie
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By the way, Robbie Deans was part of the Mitchel set up which was a pretty disastrous and fractious time for the ABs. Not least of the problems was having Rueben Thorne as captain (and in the team in the first place). I would be interested to hear if he learned any lessons from that time.

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Charles Mabbett
Since: Nov 2006
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Ha! Bring back John Mitchell AKA The Communicator!

Go the Boks! You know if Rokocoko and Sivivatu had played for Fiji instead of NZ, they might have beaten South Africa. And who knows, the All Blacks might have beaten France with a couple of other wings. Both were extremely disappointing in yesterday's test.

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The Dropkicks
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There is only one person to blame for the loss.

Carl Hayman, or, whomever made him shave his beard.

"Divine retribution" people... "Divine retribution".

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Hadyn Green
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Don I completely agree.
Jim Keyes is an idiot. I am very happy to see Graham Henry for the next few years and even if doesn't stick around for the next cup perhaps he can groom a successor. It's easier for teams to continue if they are used to the coaching style.

I'm picking an Argentina-England final, with Argentina winning 32-12.
I'm just going to pop down the TAB and put $5M on that.

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Don Christie
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Maybe a bit early though - the sun isn't over the yard-arm yet...

Ah weel, mak it a nip, jist ta bide awa the times, whateffer.

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Paul Campbell
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OK I'm not a rugby fan - am I wrong in my reaction to this morning's paper "great! now all the hype can stop"?

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Don Christie
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There is only one person to blame for the loss.

Hmm, I did think of TV3 for their ungodly decision to run ads on a Sunday.

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Nat Torkington
From: Ti Point
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The thirty minutes of handwringing rugby wank on Morning Report was ridiculous. It is literally yesterday's news at this point. What's served by encouraging the lineup of finger-pointing has-beens to second-guess and grizzle? (Highlight: the poor word choice of describing the players becoming emotional in the locker-room afterwards as 'choking up')

"Moneyball" is a really interesting book about how statisticians turned around a baseball team. One of the things I took away from this book is that season games are about skill and execution, while postseason are all about luck and injuries. In general, baseball and football teams won't make it through to the World Series or Superbowl if they lose players to injuries. And while you can condition, recondition, play or protect as you fancy, ultimately injuries are in the hands of the gods. The World Cup is a sign of upon whom the Gods are smiling, not a sign of the consistently best team.

Anyone who pokes shit at the ABs for the loss deserves all the emotional wounds the loss can bring. The team was in great physical shape but they weren't able to play sufficiently better than a gritty French team to overcome the few inevitable bad calls. C'est la vie.

The national rugby conversation I'm dreading is the one about rebuilding the ABs after the majority of the team leave for Europe's rich clubs. There'll be a flood of new caps and whoever gets the coaching position is going to have a hell of a job turning what were (this year) non AB material into ABs.

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Hadyn Green
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And now I disagree Don.

After talking stats with Tracey Nelson, she completely dispelled the myth of Reuben "Mr Invisible" Thorne and had plenty of stats to say that he was a very productive player.

though I will say I wouldn't want Robbie Deans as coach (though I don't want him coaching Aussie either)

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Russell Brown
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There is only one person to blame for the loss.
Carl Hayman, or, whomever made him shave his beard.

"Divine retribution" people... "Divine retribution".

You know, that did occur to me quite early in the match...

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The Dropkicks
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Oh, and England has fought a war with every team in the Semis.

There's a fact you never thought would have relevance!

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Hadyn Green
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Carl Hayman, or, whomever made him shave his beard.

You know, that did occur to me quite early in the match...

Che can back me up on this, I yelled out during the anthems "OMG! He's shaved his beard!"

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