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Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1653
Hard News: Copyright Abuse
The Standard seems to have really got under the skin of John Key's office -- so much so that it received a nastygram from Key's office, in the form of an email from Key's "web editor" Francis Till declaring: "You are displaying, without permission, a modified picture of John Key on your blog and in your petition drive. Please remove it."
Anorak
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
Well, sometimes even teenaged girls have good taste in music. It's not unheard of.
stephen clover
From: wgtn
Since: Sep 2007
Posts: 244
Huh. Since when has bands + teenage girly fans been about the music?
Robyn Gallagher
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1307
Since when has bands + teenage girly fans been about the music?
Ruben Mint Chicks is soooo hot.
Anorak
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
Robyn, you're not helping my thesis that girls can like bands for the Rock as much as the Coque.
Anorak
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
I guess I could amend it to "Girls like bands for the Rock AND for the Coque".
stephen clover
From: wgtn
Since: Sep 2007
Posts: 244
Robyn, you're not helping my thesis that girls can like bands for the Rock as much as the Coque.
LOL.
Granted, I have known the occasional teen girl to actually like the Rock.
The Dropkicks
From: Wellington
Since: Sep 2007
Posts: 20
There was some talk of RB buying we Dropkicks a beer on Saturday night...
But to be frank, if the Dropkicks had to chose between a beer with us, and dinner and movie with our (respective) darlings?
There wouldn't be a Dropkick in sight!
Jeremy Andrew
From: Hamiltron - City of the Future
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 659
I have known the occasional teen girl to actually like the Rock
The genre, the radio station or the professional wrestler?
Anorak
From: Auckland
Since: Apr 2007
Posts: 61
That's what they call the trifecta!
Damian Christie
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 609
Moderator
People on the public payroll should not use copyright to try and quell speech.
Couldn't agree more. I've just posted a story over at Cracker about a guy who got banned from commenting on the Nat's YouTube videos simply because he didn't agree with them. The Nats need to understand if they're going to use this medium, it's a two-way street.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
People on the public payroll should not use copyright to try and quell speech.
Certainly not, but 'people on the public payroll' should be damn careful about the copyrights of others. I recall the Conservatives in Britian getting a strongly worded 'nastygram' from lawyers acting on behalf of Massive Attack after "The Man Next Door" was used without clearances being secured as an accompaniment to William Hague's entrance at the 2000 party conference.
I think you can guess I'm with the dirty hippie musos on that one...
And could you tell me exactly how Francis Till was trying to "quell speech"? Methinks there's a certain amount of drama queen faux outrage on both sides. WTF is Key's office giving a Labour hack blog publicity in the first place? And perhaps The Standard could spare us the 'our dissent iz being crushed!' routine until it actually is.
kowhai montgomery
From: wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 446
I guess I could amend it to "Girls like bands for the Rock AND for the Coque".
Ae.
Jeremy Andrew
From: Hamiltron - City of the Future
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 659
And perhaps The Standard could spare us the 'our dissent iz being crushed!' routine until it actually is.
Do have some inside knowledge of upcoming plots then? ;-)
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
I've just posted a story over at Cracker about a guy who got banned from commenting on the Nat's YouTube videos simply because he didn't agree with them.
OK, should I start counting up the posts on PAS complaining that Kiwiblog is a cesspit of bigoted fucktards and David Farrar doesn't ban people enough?
Joanna
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 546
I guess I could amend it to "Girls like bands for the Rock AND for the Coque
Being talented at the rock makes the coque much more attractive.
Robyn Gallagher
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1307
Robyn, you're not helping my thesis that girls can like bands for the Rock as much as the Coque.
See, if I listen to the Mint Chicks' "Crazy? Yes! Dumb? No!" album on my iPod while I'm walking to work, it's all about the music, not how hot Ruben or Kody are.
But if I'm watching the "Crazy? Yes! Dumb? No!" music video on the telly or the YouTube, then I can gaze into Ruben's dreamy eyes and get an extra level of enjoyment out of the song.
Having said that, I think that video is the first one where they played up Ruben's hotness (and it suits the song). Every other video was quite arty and involved sunglasses and costumes and jumping around, and was more a visual-musical art experience than a hard-sell music video.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
Do have some inside knowledge of upcoming plots then? ;-)
No, I just think there are any number of bloggers in Fiji, Myanmar, China (I could keep going) who much better cases to play the victim than the chaps over at The Standard. I say this from experience (and having just polished my tiara): You don't have to be a total drama queen to be a poli-blogger, but it helps. :)
Russell Brown
From: Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 9054
Moderator
__I've just posted a story over at Cracker about a guy who got banned from commenting on the Nat's YouTube videos simply because he didn't agree with them.__
OK, should I start counting up the posts on PAS complaining that Kiwiblog is a cesspit of bigoted fucktards and David Farrar doesn't ban people enough?
Read the comments first, Craig. They're entirely unobjectionable. And Damian's right: the person threatening the ban comes across like a power-tripping little snot.
Kyle Matthews
From: Dunedin
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 4397
OK, should I start counting up the posts on PAS complaining that Kiwiblog is a cesspit of bigoted fucktards and David Farrar doesn't ban people enough?
The difference being, kiwiblog is run by him, so it'd be his job to moderate comments if it's done.
If you post videos to public places that aren't yours, like youtube, you should expect that people might comment on them. And it's up to youtube, not your own delicate political sensibilities, if they get moderated.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
If you post videos to public places that aren't yours, like youtube, you should expect that people might comment on them. And it's up to youtube, not your own delicate political sensibilities, if they get moderated.
Fair point, just as I'll defend any blogger who allows comments to leave up ones I personally find offensive to my 'delicate sensibilities' - political or otherwise.
merc
From: Styxville
Since: Dec 2006
Posts: 1285
the person threatening the ban comes across like a power-tripping little snot.
But that's The Brand.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
But that's The Brand.
Really? For reasons you don't need to know about, I went looking for video of Jennifer Hudson performing 'And I Tell You I'm Not Going' and the comments were eye-wateringly scary. Let's just say Ms. Hudson has passionate fans, equally passionate detractors and putting them in a room would be messy. A more pressing issue for YouTube would be gettting rid of the p0rn spammers - if I wanted to read that kind of stuff I'd just turn off the spam filter on my e-mail. :)
Robyn Gallagher
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1307
the person threatening the ban comes across like a power-tripping little snot.
If wonder if the ban would have happened if the moderation had been the responsibility of Gerry Brownlee himself, or, in fact, anyone working under their own name, rather than the NZNat pseudonym.
Damian Christie
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 609
Moderator
So Craig, rather than talking about Jennifer Hudson and p0rn spammers here, can I just ask for your honest opinion about NZNat banning this guy based on the comments he made?
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
And I understand anyone who uploads video to YouTube has to the option of disabling comments entirely - would that also be 'crushing speech'? Serious question - because I know I/S got exactly that kind of criticism for turning off comments at No Right Turn and, in the end, I think that was completely unjustified. First, it was his call - and sadly have to agree that (to paraphrase Charlie Brooker) the bullshit-to-insight ratio was far too high. And second, there is no inalienable human right to post comments to any blog.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
So Craig, rather than talking about Jennifer Hudson and p0rn spammers here, can I just ask for your honest opinion about NZNat banning this guy based on the comments he made?
I wouldn't do it, just as I'd have advised Francis Till not to give The Standard publicity or any grounds to fatuously play free speech martyr.
And I'd also have said that any video posted to YouTube should have the comments disabled and a e-mail address for feedback provided.
BTW, Damien, thought the post was entirely cogent and reasonable - and it's fair comment to say the Nats (or at least one individual) needs to get a little smarter about the nature of the medium. But there is a reason I don't visit YouTube to read the comments - because the crap/quality ratio is near 100:0.
Craig Ranapia
From: North Shore, Auckland
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 7160
And just to be trivial for a moment:
coming back via the Dowse to view the Philip Treacy hats (I was bored, but, then, I am a boy …).
Aaargh... if you said you were going, I'd have given you some money to pick me up a copy of the catalogue. Hats may be boring, but Isabella Blow - who was a mentor/muse to some rather intriguing people in the British fashion scene like Treacy and Alexander McQueen - was anything but. The Brits may have lost the Empire, but they can still produce world-beating eccentrics.
kowhai montgomery
From: wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 446
Just because there is a lot of bullshit in the comments section of youtube doesn't really take away from Damion's point.
And I understand anyone who uploads video to YouTube has to the option of disabling comments entirely - would that also be 'crushing speech'?
But they didn't turn them off so that is not really the point either, I don't think that many people here would disagree that on your own site you can moderate how you see fit and no-one has an inalienable human right to post comments. The point seems to be if you try to use social media for political purposes and fling the door of the comments section wide open (which on youtube is a bit nuts for the reasons you have stated) you will look like a jackarse if you "moderate" those who disagree with you in this manner.
If just looks naff. You would think with the number of people who seem to be enrolled in "Digital Media" type courses these days that someone would be able to give some good advise.
kowhai montgomery
From: wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 446
advice
sigh
Robyn Gallagher
From: Wellington
Since: Nov 2006
Posts: 1307
YouTube have recently brought in some new features to the comments. If you're logged in, you can give a comment the thumbs up or thumbs down - enough thumbs down and the comment isn't displayed in full. And if there's a spam comment, you can also mark it as spam.
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