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Hard News: So far from trivial

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  • robbery,

    I just don't have the patience to go through every word time and time again in the hope that it has sunk in this time.

    patience or clarity. either or. what makes you think your words are gold and that others must let them sink in?
    I've noted a degree of bullying in your comments to me, to WH, and a few others, I'm not up for that. I've been pretty polite in addressing it, and I don't take lightly any inference your comments may make on me hence asking for clarification on what exactly you meant by his mornings comment. you weren't clear, are you forwarding the response 'if you don't know what I meant then I'm not going to tell you'?

    i'm not going to tell you to go elsewhere, you can do your bullying anywhere you like. don't expect me to like it, or respond to it in the usual fashion

    What's with the aggression anyway. taking aside your hatin' on me why attack WH for a small comment?

    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.

    That was part of it. And Sacha? I agree with everything you said, and the way you said it. My tongue is bloody with the biting. Sometimes, however, brick walls are just that. Ignoring is good. Really.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3123 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    I have never yet sworn at another poster on a blog site - it's just not polite.

    I've noted a degree of bullying in your comments to me, to WH, and a few others, I'm not up for that.

    But sanctimonious comments like that bring me right to the brink. I am working so hard breathing through my mouth right now.

    Sacha, you're a champion. What position do you play in the PAS Women's XV?

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1303 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I thought sasha was a russian guy? but you're all a rugby team,
    I get it, you should have said, I would have saved my breath ages ago. burly bunch, known for their social etiquette and enlighten views or am I thinking of someone else?.
    the field is yours, knock yourself out.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    I am not getting otherwise involved with robbery debates *at all* but may I say how much I appreciate the responses of Sacha, Deborah, Jackie & others? And how much I really hope that robbery's penultimate phrase is a promise for this thread? Kia ora tatou-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    I am not getting otherwise involved with robbery debates *at all* but may I say how much I appreciate the responses of Sacha, Deborah, Jackie & others? And how much I really hope that robbery's penultimate phrase is a promise for this thread? Kia ora tatou-

    The bolding of 'but' is mine. Sorry Islander, I couldn't resist, it seems appropriate for this thread. :)

    Since Nov 2006 • 866 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Yup, I take the point Yamis- 8>)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Thanks for the support. I've been pondering about my role in this conversation, and it seems sensible to just say what I've realised even if it's a bit philospohical. Make of it what you will.

    I reckon that reading and contributing here is a good use of my limited time and I have done so since the bfm Hard News days. I expect a certain level of intelligent conversation here and others have noted that PAS can be an intimidating place no matter what our backgrounds are. I like that there is a high degree of respect for different viewpoints and experiences. People mostly behave themselves, including me I hope.

    I value the range of subject experts who visit PAS, and I expect to defer to them if I don’t know as much. I’m aware this place does not exist in a vacuum and all the usual considerations about social relationships, resources and power apply. Some forms of knowledge and some subject areas are valued less or more than others. That’s just the way it is, and this place is way better than most which is a deliberate decision on the part of our gracious host. It does annoy me when people act as if the world is a level playing field – but that’s just cos social justice is important to me, and I have a strong interest in social policy, media and cultural theory (gee I wonder what brought me here of all places).

    I can handle disagreement, and most here seem comfortable with that too. I am fine having to explain myself if I have been unclear.

    It does however bring out the worst in me (I readily admit) when a particular person seems to revel in repeated misunderstandings, and by doing so erodes the conventions, goodwill and trust that hold this place together. Because I value PAS, I take that seriously – and if my response feels like “bullying” to some then so be it.

    Rob, I like most of your contributions but please slow down and thoroughly read what others are writing before you leap to the reply button. It’s not that I reckon my words are gold, but it sure is not my job to spoon-feed you when others seem perfectly capable of following the same conversation. I apologise if my extra responsiveness in this thread has given you an impression that I deeply care whether you agree with me or not. I reassure you that no one is accusing you or any other PAS contributors of committing family violence. Just of not having enough respect for some well-informed viewpoints - and most of all, for the taonga you’re part of here.

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team. Strong off-field supporter, is all.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    and it seems sensible to just say what I've realised even if it's a bit philospohical. Make of it what you will.

    That's a sweet bit of writing there Sacha. Tolerance and patience are the best attributes:)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6007 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team.

    But it's a very inclusive team, Sacha...

    My bad!

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1303 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hey, it's a common assumption which I've come to enjoy. No bad there.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16489 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team. Strong off-field supporter, is all.

    Dammit. Now I feel the need to go re-read some of your posts and see if they come out in a different light.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6162 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I feel the need to post in a relatively sane place.

    An acquaintance just posted the following in an ice hockey forum after I made a comment about two high school teams that had an all-in fight a few weeks ago. His post:

    We need to stop being wusses and embrace the fact that everyone has a beast inside them and hockey is a good safe environment in which to let it out in! If a parent doesn't want their child playing ice hockey because of a fight between to school teams at a low skill level then she can leave her kid in sunday school getting gayer day by day and eventually one of "those catholic ministers".

    The poster is not only a player, but a referee.

    Sports and the culture of violence within it is truly a different world. I do despair :(

    Since Nov 2006 • 6162 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Shit o dear- "embrace the fact that everyone has a beast inside them"

    _count my family OUT! Count almost all of my friends & their families OUT! Especially, COUNT ME OUT!

    What a truly horrifying statement from a so-called sportsperson.

    Most people have a wondering questing hopeful and innately kind inner being - it's the only good part of us:'us ' being humans evolved after nearly 4 billions of years of blood sport evolution: this shit is taking us back to the 'wars' between -o- mammals & reptiles...fuck o dear

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.

    My understanding of the evidence in this area is that demeanour based assesments of credibility can be unreliable.

    http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Supreme_Court/ll_sc.nsf/pages/SCO_mcclellan020806

    A US study published earlier this year noted that “the results of over 25 years of research on this topic show that lay knowledge of eyewitness behaviour is not only limited in scope but also highly inaccurate.

    Since Nov 2006 • 559 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    We were analysing his words and actions, not his 'demeanour'.

    Also, Kyle: 'leave her kid in Sunday school getting gayer by the day'. Wow. That's almost a hilarious pisstake of someone being a dick. Except it's serious.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3628 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Wait, Sunday School makes you gay? For the first time ever I believe we have a lead on what my mother did wrong.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4340 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    then she can leave her kid in sunday school getting gayer day by day and eventually one of "those catholic ministers".

    I think that is personal issues he still hasn't come to terms with so could you tell him from me Kyle, it's ok ,there are places other than confession that he can seek help;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6007 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    The culture of violence in sport is a multi dimensional issue (I'm not sure what exactly I mean by that).

    Given that some sports are EXTREMELY physical in nature ie, union, league, ice hockey, american football to name a few the amount of full on violence is incredibly low. To watch men smash into each other continuously, filled with testosterone and then get up, walk away and at the end of the game shake hands and have a beer is a truly amazing human accomplishment in my opinion.

    Yes, occasionally it blows up into punches or an "all in brawl" (often a handful of players with the majority trying to break it up), but they are the exception rather than the rule.

    Sports have rules for such incidents and those players involved are usually removed from the field and often if its serious enough they are removed temporarily from the sport or permanently. It's not tolerated, and by and large participants don't get away with it. Unlike other places where similar incidents take place...

    Sport ain't all bad.

    Since Nov 2006 • 866 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Kyle is an Anaheim supporter, I'm sure he'd have more than a little to say in defence of the institution of the hockey fight. That doesn't make the quote he gave us any less scary.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7351 posts Report Reply

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    My 'Sunday School' was on Saturday after/during Rugby. It was CCD and I still don't know what that means.
    I'ld be the one turning up in my Marist uniform with mud caking or flaking off my knees and shoulders.
    And no-one ever did answer the question of the host as the body of Chirst and my question - "are we cannibals?"
    I don't ask anymore & never take the wine - can't stand the floaties.

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    My 'Sunday School' was on Saturday after/during Rugby. It was CCD and I still don't know what that means.

    Confraternity of Christian Doctrine:)
    I remember as a child asking the Sunday school teacher if she could tell me where the page numbers were as I was having difficulty locating them in that book.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6007 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge,

    I don't know if it's just me but it seems as if the diversity of voices on PA System is shrinking - or solidifying - a little more day by day.

    It doesn't seem to matter what the topic is or who authored it but I seem to keep encountering the same voices - often having the same argument. And sometimes it appears that the argument is more important than the topic ;)

    There's been talk of how intimidating it can be for new or less prolific posters to engage in discussion here, but maybe it's also that at times it feels a closed circle that is collapsing in on itself.

    I guess I'd like to think this is more an observation than a complaint - cos I have no idea how to fix it or even if it needs fixing - but I've come to really enjoy and respect this space and I have to admit to a sense of loss over what I've experienced here in the last few weeks...


    </irrelevant lament>

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 315 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Kyle is an Anaheim supporter, I'm sure he'd have more than a little to say in defence of the institution of the hockey fight. That doesn't make the quote he gave us any less scary.

    Actually the encouragement of fighting in ice hockey is one of the things I dislike the most about the sport. And Anaheim are fools in this regard, their fighter is slow and can't fight, which makes paying him hundreds of thousand of dollars a year even more silly.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6162 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    </irrelevant lament>

    A circle-jerk?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6007 posts Report Reply

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