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Hard News: Rain on his parade

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  • Socrates,

    Lets try that again. This project is a wonderful attempt to give a real look at the female form. I recommend looking at the page and tracking down the film.

    http://www.fiftywomen.com/

    Since Feb 2008 • 9 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    If you don't quite understand Morgan's problem then read his post where he said authority needs to be constantly reviewed and checked. Now you are claiming that the population is the real authority. My point should be obvious...

    I agree, it's obviously the census, next one due 2011. In the meantime there's the general election.

    And don't worry so much, you are in a liberal forum.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Ah, Dickster, all the debating skills of Whack-a-Mole

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4443 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    Tempting as it may be, I've always found it's a whole lot easier to maintain the moral highground in a debate when you don't resort to making up silly versions of a person's name. It's one of the least appealing things about what passes for debate in that other popular blog.

    Grant's contributions have been facile, naive, disingenuous, incoherent and downright infuriating in their blithe dismissal of demonstrable facts, but they have mostly been superficially civil. And civility is one of the most appealing things about this place.

    There are better ways to deal with it, just sayin.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 724 posts Report Reply

  • Grant Dexter,

    Calling someone facile, naive, disingenuous, incoherent, downright infuriating and superficially civil is considered civil?

    I think I prefer the inventive re-spellings of my name....

    Taipei, Taiwan • Since Mar 2007 • 256 posts Report Reply

  • Susan Snowdon,

    maintain(ing) the moral highground

    B Jones, what you said. Derogatory name calling never won any arguments, not since I was a teenager. (And come to think of it, didn't work much then either.) Scrupulous civility can be really infuriating to someone looking for a slanging match .

    Since Mar 2008 • 94 posts Report Reply

  • Grant Dexter,

    I love a good slanging match as much as the next guy, but being one of the bad guys here I consider myself more prone to being banned. Thus I prefer to restrict my discussions and descriptions to a limited set of responses. Now, if I could get some sort of immunity .. :think:

    :D

    Taipei, Taiwan • Since Mar 2007 • 256 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    I love a good slanging match as much as the next guy, but being one of the bad guys here I consider myself more prone to being banned.

    Well I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
    I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
    Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
    He could die happily ever after

    Bob Dylan, Tombstone Blues.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3291 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve,

    If you don't quite understand Morgan's problem then read his post where he said authority needs to be constantly reviewed and checked. Now you are claiming that the population is the real authority. My point should be obvious...

    I've known Morgan for more than ten years, and I still don't understand his problem.. But I can safely say that is not it.

    Authority does need to be questioned and reviewed. That is fundamental in modern democratic societies. Public accountability, checks and balances, all that.

    In this case the Council has the power and authority to restrict marches and parades on Queen St through the granting (or not) of permits. However there is also the ability that people can conduct parades without permit - in fact it happens a few times a year at least. In that case the council has the option to pursue legal consequences for those people.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 191 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I've always found it's a whole lot easier to maintain the moral high ground in a debate when you don't resort to making up silly versions of a person's name.

    I have never claimed the "Moral High Ground" Morals vary from person to person, to a certain degree. There are, no doubt, many morally defined positions that Grunt shares with many of us. I don't believe that anyone on this site would condone theft, lying, murder or even cavorting with your neighbours ox. There is, unfortunately , nothing in Grunts book of rules, the Bibble, that says "thou shalt not rape" or "Thou shalt not beat your children" which is why the likes of Bob McCrossprick claim to occupy the "Moral High ground" and justify their repugnant vision of a "Perfect" society. My Dog has higher morals than those self righteous tossers.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4443 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    However I'm not sure about NZ, and maybe Graeme Edgeler (sp?) has an opinion. I know Rotorua council were trying to trespass people out of "their" city centre, which implies that the streets are private property of the council, and we only use them at their discretion.

    At a quick glance ,I found some information

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5699 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I tries to follow that link Sofie but you apear to have some junk in the url. So I fixed it for you. ;-)
    Love your work speshly the early stuff. :-)

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4443 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Now can I fix my shpeelign mistakes? No, there's no EDIT FUNKSHUN. grrrr

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4443 posts Report Reply

  • Grant Dexter,

    Dylan, you seem to love bureaucracy... not to mention Morgan. You also seem to have rejected the idea of proper authority completely. Let me clue you in. What you describe is not authority .. it's the ability people have to express opinion.

    Steve - try Deuteronomy 22:25-27 and Ephesians 6:1-4

    Taipei, Taiwan • Since Mar 2007 • 256 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Some people have a notion of authority rooted in old testament traditions. In the States, they're often called Republicans and Charlton Heston and his ilk are their heroes. George Lakoff analysed them as demanding a "strong father" to tell them what to do and assure their survival in a hostile world. More here: http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/projects/strategic/nationasfamily/nationasfamily/index.html

    That type of authority only works if it is completely beyond question - which is why it fits so well with faith-based approaches to life. Neocon promotion of "executive presidency" is along the same lines, where any decision of the President is logically above the law, because, well, he's the decider isn't he. Heaven forbid that there could be limits on the authority of decisionmakers like city councils.

    Most kiwis would laugh at that concept of "authority" being held up as the only right way to live, no matter how stridently it is proclaimed by adherents.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Is that the best you can do?

    Deuteronomy 22:25-27

    25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

    ref
    But if she is not betrothed?

    22:28 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

    22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

    so it's ok if "the damsel" doesn't belong to a man, Eh?

    Ephesians 6
    Children and Parents
    Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2"Honor your father and mother"—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3"that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth."[a] Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

    Exasperate?
    The training and instruction is, I believe, what you guy's call Paddling
    Don't bother arguing, I could refute all of your silly arguements but, like most here, can't be bothered.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4443 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Thanks Sofie (& Steve). I should have expected that Mr Knight would pronounce.

    I didn't know that the common law rights of way still existed in NZ and stand corrected.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I'm just trying to figure out how I'm going to vote on the 'Smacking referendum'

    "Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?"

    There seems to me, to be an oxymoron in there.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    There's the yacht Smack Water Jack thats legendary for disappearing somewhere mid-Tasman... loosely related.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Poorly worded alright - as useful as asking when people stopped beating their wives. Though I now wonder on re-reading if they're actually talking about people correcting parents by smacking them?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I'm glad I gave away the smack before I picked up parenting.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Don't bother arguing, I could refute all of your silly arguements but, like most here, can't be bothered.

    Not that you're being left out in the cold, Steve, but a word of advice (and this is not original):

    Never wrestle with a pig - you assume undignified positions, you get covered in mud and you're left with the suspicion that the pig enjoyed it.

    Most trolls, I think, are not the master manipulators they imagine themselves to be, but narcissists looking for confirmation, however negative it may be.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 955 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I just know it all tied together. Hers a song especially for you Grant. and there's no need to get defensive, its good, like apple pie.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Most trolls, I think, are not the master manipulators they imagine themselves to be, but narcissists looking for confirmation, however negative it may be.

    YES, Kracklite, you've nailed it. And I might add, what an unenviable space to be.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    And am I looking like a sad bastard or what, addicted to the computer, just saying any old stuff that pops to mind, on the Saturday night.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2277 posts Report Reply

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