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  • Gareth Ward,

    For sure, all I'm saying is it changes the long-term cost analysis which currently includes emission costs. So in the long-term, the cost/benefit argument for completing the motorway network may look slightly different, especially if in the meantime we have installed a decent public transport network.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1722 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Didn't the environmental benefit get included in the business case for electrifying the trains?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16996 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    There may come a point when the Waterview Connection makes economic sense again. However, I cannot see that point being now or any time in the next 10 years.

    There are other projects that need this money more, and are more justifiable. This is turning into a tunnel v surface option debate, when it should be a "can we justify spending at least $2.2 billion on a 4.5 km road" argument.

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Apropos of nothing much, so excuse the diversion: Editing the Herald falls foul of its subject.

    And big ups to PA System's own ScottY for helping out and making me feel bad about teasing lawyers.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2977 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    when it should be a "can we justify spending at least $2.2 billion on a 4.5 km road" argument.

    Aren't we well past that point? The decision to complete the Western Ring has been made and now it's about how to do it? You'd like to think that the decision to complete was based on realistic costings (although I accept perhaps not)

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1722 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    The decision has been made to complete the Western Ring Route, however the decision about WHEN this happens is still open I would guess.

    How about after we invest in a CBD rail loop and rail to the airport?

    Anyway, I look forward to hearing Steven Joyce pluck something magic out of thin air on this. I just worry with the RMA changes that are happening he will go with a surface option but people won't have much opportunity under the weakened RMA to oppose it.

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Right, thanks again for the knowledge (bro). I'm all for the rail loop although I prefer Richard Simpson's canal and high-speed ferrys to the airport cause it's, ya know, cool =)
    I also wonder if funding for integrated ticketing should be thrown into that mix...

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1722 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Auckland's population will be 2.3 million by 2050

    If they live in the present inner suburbs, that would be fine. The city could grow to 4 or 5 million on its current footprint and become *easier* to get around (because proper public transit would become economically viable).

    If they live north of Albany and south of Drury, we're stuffed.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4501 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    Rich, we're stuffed either way without significant public transport investment. However, I would agree that we're MORE stuffed if the MUL gets removed and we sprawl like crazy.

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Everyone should just move to Kaiwaka.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16996 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Everyone should just move to Kaiwaka.

    Move and widen SH1 in the middle of it. then one could build a bridge and just get over it.:)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6357 posts Report Reply

  • Joshua Arbury,

    Find Mr McShane's house and build SH1 right through it I say.

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    And big ups to PA System's own ScottY for helping out and making me feel bad about teasing lawyers.

    You should feel bad. We're sensitive souls.

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 791 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    Find Mr McShane's house and build SH1 right through it I say.

    Better still, drive the bulldozer through, while he's asleep. And display the resultant trophy on the wall in Te Papa.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4431 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Find Mr McShane's house and build SH1 right through it I say.

    Better still, drive the bulldozer through, while he's asleep. And display the resultant trophy on the wall in Te Papa.

    I think you'll find the Kiwiblog meltdown is next door...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    I think you'll find the Kiwiblog meltdown is next door...

    So, we only need to veer slightly to the side and pick up a twofer! FTW!

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Max Call,

    I think you'll find the Kiwiblog meltdown is next door...

    i dunno... this sounded a bit like meltdown too...

    All of you dumb fucks, Christopher -- plague on all your houses, and I hope it hurts.

    Fruit Bowl of New Zealand… • Since Jun 2007 • 153 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    i dunno... this sounded a bit like meltdown too...

    No fair!! Bringing facts to a rant is inexcusable.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Max:

    Well, yes. I have a pretty high crap tolerance (on the basis that if you dish it out, got to be able etc.), but I don't take kindly to being called a partisan hack -- no matter how passive-agressive it may be. Sorry, just makes me a wee bit cranky.

    Meanwhile, sweetie, perhaps we could leave WhaleOily cracks about running bulldozers through someone's home for well...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12073 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    Sorry, just makes me a wee bit cranky.

    Jebus, Craig, breathing seems to make you cranky lately.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Perhaps Owen McShane saw this.
    Some call it the Princess Diana syndrome,

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4947 posts Report Reply

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