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Hard News: No Surprises

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  • Craig Ranapia,

    Kerry, that's what I was trying to say but I was too busy taking anti-semitic shots at JK and not staying on thread.

    Luke, I went out of my way to say that I didn't think you were making an anti-Semitic slur but it was a damn odd word to choose with some pretty unfortunate associations when applied to someone of Jewish descent.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11622 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Luke, I went out of my way to say that I didn't think you were making an anti-Semitic slur but it was a damn odd word to choose with some pretty unfortunate associations when applied to someone of Jewish descent.

    Wow, that's taking tendentiousness and dishonest argument to a whole new level.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    Isn't this another nail in the coffin of partnership,

    The Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership. Auckland is historically a Maori city but then we all signed a partnership.I would have thought
    it would have been an excellent time to remind the nation just what we have to get our heads around. As Sharples said yesterday on the radio, .."We (maori) are here forever".

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Luke Williamson,

    Yeah but I wanted to sulk. Anyway, I should be more careful but I have to admit that I was unaware of that particular trait. In my defence, the word usurer was coined before it became unfortunately associated with Jews so I plead innocence. However, I also plead guilt as usury is in fact the charging of interest on loans and I believe that JK made his fortune as a currency trader. Strictly speaking that makes me a cad and a liar.

    Warkworth • Since Oct 2007 • 234 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    They say that if you repeat a lie long enough it becomes the accepted truth.
    Hide knew that Key would back him, why else would he offer to resign? If Key had wanted to destroy Hide he could have called him on it. Why would he? after all didn't National give Hide Worths seat?
    I wonder whether that was just a numbers game, if Worth won you get one seat, if Hide wins you get five. Or is there something deeper and nastier? is there money involved? is there a connection to America's far right?

    Key's insistence on no Maori seats because it doesn't happen anywhere else is disingenuous, it's back to front. What he means is "If we allow Maori seats in Auckland we will have to allow them when we fuck over all the other councils".

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4454 posts Report Reply

  • Ian MacKay,

    It is possible that since Maori seats are an Auckland issue, the Maori Party will instead get favours for the Seabed and Foreshore in compensation, and this would have wider appeal.

    I had no thoughts about a Jewish connection to Key nor saw anything nasty in Lukes comments, but now I do so thanks Craig. (?)

    Bleheim • Since Nov 2006 • 498 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler,

    Hard News: No Surprises

    <sings>Bring down the government - they don't, they don't speak for us</sings>

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 790 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I thought the part where Henare saw Sharples suggestion that he should cross the floor and raised him a why don't you resign your ministerial post then could portend something.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Wow, that's taking tendentiousness and dishonest argument to a whole new level.

    Gio: Oh, QFT. Or more usefully, look up the difference between denotation and connotation some time.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11622 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And, Luke, thanks for the thoughful response and making the effort to get where I was coming from.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11622 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    Of course if Aucklanders really wanted Maori Seats at the table they could get off their arses and set up a referendium on the subject
    I believe the present law allows that at the moment
    Seems like a really good project for those PAs from the city of sales

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 522 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Re PPNZ, you wonder if they'll ever learn and I guess the answer is right now a resounding no. One of the major lessons the recording industry should have learned from the last decade is the importance of the public perception of the labels and how that impacts on the copyright issue. S92 was a PR disaster as has been the RIAA lawsuits and the way Napster was handled and accentuates the pretty universally held belief that the big labels are scumbags, rightly or wrongly (very often wrongly but that doesn't matter when they do things like this).

    They really don't do themselves any favours and you have to ask when will the glaringly obvious penny drop.

    Like the new digital 'album' album format which I think will fail badly, things like this I guess are born out of last ditch desperation.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3185 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Malcouronne,

    You are mistaken Craig. There are no anti-semitic connotations - intended or otherwise - in Luke's inspired choice of noun. Sure 'merchant banker', 'foreign currency trader', 'Master of the Universe' etc is less pejorative, but I'm perfectly comfortable calling a spade* etc...

    While Jews of medieval times were often forced into moneylending to survive, Key could have taken a million other paths. Instead he chose to make money out of money. He chose to become a usurer.

    You may be aware that usury was once outlawed in Judaism. Indeed the good Book of Leviticus says "Thou shalt not give him money upon usury nor exact of him any increase of fruits".

    * Not intended as a racial slur either BTW.

    Since Nov 2008 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    QFT, I like it. Could you get any more vague than:
    * Quantum field theory, the theory of quantum mechanics for field-like systems
    * Quantum Fourier transform, a discrete Fourier transform
    * Quantitative feedback theory
    * Queen's Film Theatre, a cinema in Northern Ireland
    * "Quoted For Truth" - an acronym commonly used on internet forums.
    * "Quit Fucking Trying/Talking" - also an acronym used on internet forums, mostly gaming.
    * "Quite Fucking True" - another acronym used around the internet.

    sez wiki.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8040 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Of course if Aucklanders really wanted Maori Seats at the table they could get off their arses and set up a referendium on the subject
    I believe the present law allows that at the moment

    Minority seeks rights by getting a majority? Doesn't usually happen.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17980 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Of course if Aucklanders really wanted Maori Seats at the table they could get off their arses and set up a referendium on the subject
    I believe the present law allows that at the moment

    Plus, it's probably not true. There is no-one who can actually sign the petition to present to the Auckland (Super) Council.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2971 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    You may be aware that usury was once outlawed in Judaism. Indeed the good Book of Leviticus says "Thou shalt not give him money upon usury nor exact of him any increase of fruits".

    I think Craig's point was that because the bible says this (in England at least), the Crown and the Church got together and said "good Christians shall not lend money, the nasty Jews will have to do it".

    And then when the Jews did actually do it and started making money both the Church and the Crown and the ordinary people didn't like that and took out their frustration by being generally anti-semitic and hateful. Large numbers of Jews were harassed, many died at the hands of good English Christians. Dozens were massacred in one incident that I read about by a mob while the law looked on.

    Eventually they were banned for decades from England and had to flee to the continent. All for doing something that the Crown and Church had told them to do.

    While the dictionary definition is quite clear on what it means, applying it to a person of Jewish descent perhaps requires a little awareness of history and thought.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6145 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg,

    Re PPNZ, you wonder if they'll ever learn and I guess the answer is right now a resounding no. One of the major lessons the recording industry should have learned from the last decade is the importance of the public perception of the labels and how that impacts on the copyright issue. S92 was a PR disaster as has been the RIAA lawsuits and the way Napster was handled and accentuates the pretty universally held belief that the big labels are scumbags, rightly or wrongly (very often wrongly but that doesn't matter when they do things like this).

    They really don't do themselves any favours and you have to ask when will the glaringly obvious penny drop.

    Like the new digital 'album' album format which I think will fail badly, things like this I guess are born out of last ditch desperation.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3185 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    We ll Russell
    87.% of 54% are trying
    Anything they can do you should be able to do better

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 522 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Anything they can do you should be able to do better

    With 6 days for submissions ( which have just proved pointless unless Hide agrees) a petition seems pointless also. Even Tau and Honi have indicated their feelings and that shows how much influence a petition could have. I agree with Hide and Honi, ( Craig will be surprised) Hide is a Bafoon and a Jerk off.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5743 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Hide and Honi, ( Craig will be surprised) Hide is a Bafoon and a Jerk off.

    Tau and Honi. Confusing myself now.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5743 posts Report Reply

  • Whoops,

    @James

    Hard News: No Surprises

    <sings>Bring down the government - they don't, they don't speak for us</sings>

    Brilliant.

    here • Since Apr 2007 • 103 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    Hide is a Bafoon and a Jerk off.

    Has Hide denied being a jerk off yet?

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    Herald poll tomorrow:

    Is Hide a jerk off?

    yes
    no
    maybe

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    any increase of fruits

    Hey, is that also a subtle slur? :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

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