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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:32:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p>That was a very good, illustrated entry. While I think Richard's ideas have to be tried and tested, the side of me fed up with the lack of public transport in Auckland and seeing one of the best settings in the world being spoilt by shoddy, third-class building says...</p><p>Let?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:32:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Interesting post.  A couple of quick comments.<br />I was just back in NZ for a holiday and Auckland's roading and transport system really does seem to suck.  I got stuck in a traffic jam at 2 in the afternoon going south from the harbor bridge to Greenlane and there didn't?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:16:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have read over the years that this is the plan, and has been the plan for a long time, but I am not sure where it is or what is holding it up.</p></blockquote><p>That would be some of this ... <a href="url">http://www.opus.co.nz/upperharbourmotorway/</a></p><p>Not sure when the heck they will get?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 10:55:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>reece palmer</title>
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						Those sound like some righteously simple but excellent ideas. I very much like the carlaw option, way too much politicking by rugby heads (of which I are one!) will probably see it die because <em>"rugby union will not lower itself to play on a cross country wrestling ground, sniff"</em> thats?
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:48:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme H</title>
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						<p>Nice pictures but...</p><p>Have you measured the distance from the port to the airport by sea?  20 min no way!  It's over 20km and on a congested waterway.  After flying hours and hours to get to godzone do you really fancy a 2 hour canal ride to the city.   No,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:30:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Graeme H wrote:</p><blockquote><p>Have you measured the distance from the port to the airport by sea? 20 min no way! It's over 20km and on a congested waterway. After flying hours and hours to get to godzone do you really fancy a 2 hour canal ride to the city.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:53:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						Hmm, zooming along at 60-65kph on water? It's probably not totally practical... first, I doubt the craft would  be able to hit such speeds in a canal: even with a hydrofoil, the swell generated would be huge, and the noise considerable too. Having commuted between Sweden and Denmark on hydrofoils?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:33:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jolisa</title>
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						<p>By the way, David, that wasn't Public Address's first actual public marriage proposal was it?? Or are you just flirting with hot linguists for the sheer fun of it?</p><p>And I love all the urban design proposals just for their sheer beauty. Except that the air bridge should be more?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:30:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>It is wrong to collect 2000.00PA in rates, not provide, rubbish collection, sewerage or water, then plant 20,000 houses up the road and not have to provide public transport or sufficient stormwater or roading for them.<br />Richard's ideas are great but Auckland isn't working now, let alone what hell it?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:10:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Some very interesting points raised here &mdash; but I've learned long ago not to pass judgement on  engineering issues without knowing the detailed facts and data.  I've contacted Richard Simpson and hopefully he will post a reply.</p><p>In the meantime, here's a description of Auckland's transportation system by an expert?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:59:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>RE: Carlaw park. Apart from Trevor, who gives a shit about the rugby.</p></blockquote><p>Lived here long have you?</p><p>I would have said RE:Carlow park &ndash; the problem is that a bit of the Auckland Domain is required to make that work. Eating an inch of that place is criminal -?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:57:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I know something about boats, and a 35 knot ferry would not be practical within a confined waterway. However, I've always wondered why Auckland doesn't make better use of its harbour as a road. It seems to cost a squllion dollars and take months and months to build a few?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:24:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the Kiwi obsession with zero or low cost short term incrementalism as a way of staving off making bowel emptying major decisions.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, all the people who complained that waterfront stadium critics lacked vision &mdash; give me some vision on public transport, please.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:58:37 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>The Vision is,<br />Give them games not roads!</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:23:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I know something about boats, and a 35 knot ferry would not be practical within a confined waterway.</p></blockquote><p>Never meant to imply that you could do 35kts door to door.  Any ferry would have to go at a lower speed in the more confined areas of the Tamaki estuary, but?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:00:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Juha Saarinen wrote:</p><blockquote><p>Hmm, zooming along at 60-65kph on water? It's probably not totally practical.... I doubt the craft would be able to hit such speeds in a canal...</p></blockquote><p>Tom Semmens wrote:</p><blockquote><p>I know something about boats, and a 35 knot ferry would not be practical within a confined waterway.?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:39:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Incidentally, when talking to Alan Caughley he made what seemed to be a <strong>very interesting suggestion</strong>.  He proposed a <em>hovercraft link</em> between the airport and downtown Auckland.</p><p>This would only require the construction of a smooth(-ish) causeway between the Manukau harbour and the end of the Tamaki river.  The hovercraft?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:21:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						<p>Two (3 with road, but that needs a new bridge) airport links are better than 1. Why do we always try for the one fits ALL solution, hell lets go stupid and integrate transport solutions! <br />Portage Road was so named because that's where Maori lugged (portaged) canoes from one harbour?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:25:50 +1300</pubDate>
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						Auckland Airport had a hovercraft that never really worked. I really think the reason why it is so expensive to get to the Airport has something to do with concession monopolies...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:29:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p>I phrased that badly... there's no doubt you can hit 35 knots in a confined canal but I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a ship going past at that speed. Noisy and very splishy-splashy, basically.</p><p>As for hovercrafts, eel-laden or otherwise, they're something of a Finnish speciality. A __pintaliitäjä__?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:50:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Juha Saarinen wrote:</p><blockquote><p>[A] Tuuli-class attack missile hovercraft with twin 8,000 hp gas turbines would provide coastal supremacy in Greater Auckland... I really want one actually.</p></blockquote><p>Wow, I want one too!  We should buy one each and then we can race them.</p><p>You may have a point about the fuel?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:03:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How about a ferry service from Cornwallis to Helensville, now that's Fitzcarraldo-ey!<br />In the bad old days you could catch a ferry from Onehunga wharf to New Plymouth &ndash; direct.</p></blockquote><p>I'd settle for one from the CBD up the harbour &ndash; that would be a mint way to get home?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:06:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>matthewbuchanan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Although I guess there would be tidal issues ...</p></blockquote><p>But not with a hovercraft :-)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:14:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and it drank like a Scotsman. Made a nice noise, though.</p></blockquote><p>Och, as a man of (vaguely) Scots descent, I resemble that remark! (Except the nice noise bit &ndash; I have a face made for radio, a voice designed for journalism, and the handwriting of a doctor on P.)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:53:03 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I seem to recall...I am 800 years old...there was an inner harbour ferry service to Hobsonville, then Hellville?. At one time Helensville was the busiest port in NZ, then the cargo would be ferried from Hellville to Queens? wharf along that river that has the Riverhead bit.<br />Pt Chev. was?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:03:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<a href="http://www.getmoving.org.nz/" target="_blank">I've been a tiny bit active with this stuff</a>... which ties up with the above. Not a substitute for Tuuli attack missile hovercrafts, but maybe not a bad idea?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:52:58 +1300</pubDate>
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						Aha Trams-ers unite! Not since 1937 in Paris, beautiful, let's buy it! I see a tram running all the way round the waterfront from St Heliers to Pt Chev, that's it Captain, make it so.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Pt Chev. was well serviced by trams and was the last stop (hence the round-about) at Coyle? Park and the tram line fragments at Western Springs. I heard, it being the last stop, many late night trams (10,00pm!) were missed, so requiring a couch-stop, (ahem).<br />There are legions of dusty?</p></blockquote>
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						<p>Now you're talking crazy talk...you cannot disfugure ze beautiful, smooth, well laid and painted with day glowing accessories tarmac.<br />Mmmmmm macadam, ez like leather you know.<br />Seriously, do you think roads are maybe a Council fetish?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:26:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard C.</title>
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						<p>What depresses me is the seeming left-right left-right lurch from one ?grand plan? to another every time a new council or mayor gets elected. </p><p>A recent example: the Fletcher led council had the plans, support and ? I think ? most of the funding for a light rail service that?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:53:44 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>I sat in on a closed Council transport meeting, I know, mea culpa, but I was removed shortly thereafter.<br />There were 20 or so people in the room, roughly divided into,<br />1. self interested parties (contractor lobbyists)<br />2. tourists (like me)<br />3. train people<br />4. motorway people<br />5. managers<br />6.?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:09:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Some interesting news from  <a href="http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/members/committeemeetings/transport/a20070214.asp" target="_blank">today's meeting</a> of the Auckland City Council's <em>Transport and Urban Linkages Committee</em>.  Apparently quite a commotion ensued when the committee were played Michael Tritt's <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCKDBHT3i74" target="_blank">Auckland, City of Cars: Episode 1</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYNpS7SI7k" target="_blank">Auckland, City of Cars: Episode 2</a> documentaries.</p><p><a href="http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/council/members/representatives/" target="_blank">Doug Armstrong and Toni Millar</a> from __Citizens &amp; Ratepayers?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:01:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						More details please David &ndash; that's such a tease... I thought you were getting into the story-telling business yourself?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:51:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p><em>Perhaps they had an urgent and simultaneous urge to micturate</em><br />... upon the Citizens and Ratepayers of Auckland from a great height?</p><p>How come you have a picture but the rest of us got a target practice cut out? Hmm?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:08:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>matthewbuchanan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>How come you have a picture but the rest of us got a target practice cut out? Hmm?</p></blockquote><p>Glad you asked. We meant to have this capability when we launched System in November, however it's powered by a site called <a href="http://gravatar.com" target="_blank">Gravatar.com</a> which ground to a halt under the strain of?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:58:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						Oh yeah... we had Gravatars (that name sounds like Skeletor's bunk buddy) on Geekzone, but as you say, the whole thing ground to a mincing halt.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:16:09 +1300</pubDate>
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