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Field Theory: A post about art (sort of)

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  • chris,

    Some interesting stuff here re; forgeries;

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/3654259/The-forger-who-fooled-the-world.html

    Regardless of veracity, a great read

    According to a contemporary account: "[Göring] looked as if for the first time he had discovered there was evil in the world."

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1828&dat=19890409&id=mMcnAAAAIBAJ&sjid=W8AEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2783,4142190

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Is fake art real art until such point as it is discovered to be fake?

    Apparently. It happened once in Italy when a group of pranksters revealed they had sculpted and left in a ditch to be 'discovered' three busts subsequently attributed to Amedeo Modigliani. Eminent art historian Giulio Carlo Argan was amongst the experts who had declared the sculptures to be authentic beyond all doubt.

    This made a lot of people who had been assigned Argan's history of art as a textbook in high school very happy.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ah, authenticity

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15762 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Any requirement for authenticity is necessarily false.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2468 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Any requirement for authenticity is necessarily false.

    In Art, or generally?

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    In anything generally ;-). Anything that needs to lay claims (to authenticity) has already lost them.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2468 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    You just NEVER let what is 'art 'belong to the speculations,definitions, & - especially- the determinations of a specialist group: people will make up their minds as to what is special, what is powerful, what is overwhelming when it comes to human artefacts-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Anything that needs to lay claims (to authenticity) has already lost them.

    Hmmm...

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    You just NEVER let what is 'art 'belong to the speculations,definitions, & - especially- the determinations of a specialist group: people will make up their minds as to what is special, what is powerful, what is overwhelming when it comes to human artefacts-

    Nicely put Islander, I only wish when I'd studied Art History that they'd given us more than a couple of slides worth of exposure to work from those other three continents to evaluate. Saying that, there were a reasonable number of papers devoted to Maori Art(wtf?) at Canterbury. and looking at the titles;

    Te Taura Whakairo: The Continuum of Maori and Indigenous Art
    Maori Art: Taonga Tuku Iho
    He Korero Toi Whiriwhiria: Maori and 4th World Indigenous Art in Theoretical and Educational Contexts

    one would have to assume, Mr Litterick's memo never arrived.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Anything that needs to lay claims (to authenticity) has already lost them.

    hmm

    Like in 'The Island' 2005, when Tom Lincoln and his clone Lincoln Echo Six are both pleading with the gunman Albert Laurent - "I am the real Tom Lincoln!."

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Chris, I dare say that Paul knows what the Art History Department at Canterbury looks like.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    So he still has his eyesight? Is that where he's doing his doctorate?

    I wonder if he'll be pulling this kind of bs out in the classroom when he hit's the zero mark

    but you do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about,

    That would certainly make a change of pace from how things were when I was studying there.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    No, I mean that you are coming across as both clueless and patronising.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Nothing new there.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Yes, I know, neither the first person not the last around here.

    David Cauchi always said he wanted more feuds in the NZ art world; this is a pretty scary foretaste of what that might look like.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    For my part I'm genuinely pissed at Paul's attitude, in light of the fact Pre-Renaissance Eastern Art is more or less still an untouched commodity in Art History Academia. Rather than his scorn, I'd really hoped to have gotten his genuine opinion on some of the links I presented. Now I'm left fuming, staring at my screen in this confounded office I share with two Catholics and a Mormon. It's not often Art comes up, and even rarer to come across an art historian, so I won't disguise my disappointment.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

  • David Cauchi,

    David Cauchi always said he wanted more feuds in the NZ art world; this is a pretty scary foretaste of what that might look like.

    I meant feuds between artists and their factions, but I've really enjoyed this.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2007 • 121 posts Report Reply

  • David Cauchi,

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

    The NZ art world, like NZ in general, is conformist and conservative. It needs more feuds. It needs some people to shake it up.

    I am not a New Zealand artist. I am not going to go into a rant about the disgusting spectacle that is the ridiculously bombastic nationalism that makes up such a large part of what for a lack of a better term we are forced to call New Zealand culture. I do not contribute to that culture. I am not a New Zealand artist.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2007 • 121 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    So why the dry-up in art school gossip? That stuff was pretty awesome.

    (Not that I'm volunteering to start writing despatches from my institution, so yeah.)

    Since Jul 2008 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Now I'm left fuming, staring at my screen in this confounded office I share with two Catholics and a Mormon.

    Let me guess: you spend your day coming up with pub jokes?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Let me guess: you spend your day coming up with pub jokes?

    Ouch. Would only be half a joke though, as Mormon's don't drink.

    Badoom, crash (and burn)

    NB: For more on this you could refer to 'askamormon.com'.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    There is a cosy place in hell for those with PhDs who put Doctor on their Koru Club Cards. The purpose of this is to identify MDs for emergencies.

    I don't know about that, but my cousin had this come up as her and her partner were the doctors on a plane from South Africa to Perth when a person became seriously ill.

    Interestingly, the doctor is in charge of the plane in the situation, and can direct the captain to land or return. She turned the plane around about an hour into the flight.

    All that power and you don't have to do a PhD.

    Of course there is a big picture and I have been presenting it. Art is a European construct.

    I meant the bigger picture than that, but nevermind.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6145 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Let me guess: you spend your day coming up with pub jokes?

    The elder of the two Catholics who'd make Paul look like Albert Shweitzer, is a tragic Canadian conflict addicted ex cellphone shop manager with a trophy wife and a penchant for bagging those Chinese .

    Being the tomb festival, Monday was a public holiday; A special day when people visit the plots of their ancestors and burn fake money in tribute. I arrived amidst a rant, in which he was earnestly mocking this practice questioning why they don't instead burn real money. I asked him what the wine drunk at communion represents and he answered simply "because Jesus drank wine at the last supper". I set about explaining the concept of symbolism to him. It's trying.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 888 posts Report Reply

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