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OnPoint: Budget 2010: What’d you expect?

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  • Julie Fairey,

    Sacha if I didn't know you were being sarky I might cry.

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 216 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    I keep hearing that but I don't actually believe it because all too often it seems to turn into "I'd be quite happy if someone else paid a lot more tax,

    Please believe that my class interest and my conscience couldn't be more opposed.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2917 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    just give me my pony and a pot to cook it in

    Socialism! Buy your own food and cookware, comrade..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    ponies :(
    i was expecting ponies.

    Ghostcrawler already gave you a pony*

    *note truly random geek link you have been warned.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3217 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Sacha if I didn't know you were being sarky I might cry.

    Ah yes, sorry about that. I'm trying on that tone, inspired by Danyl and others who admittedly do it far better than me

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Buy your own food and cookware, comrade..

    nooo... you'll need to subcontract the cooking to someone who owns the pots. make sure you flick the bits you aren't intending to eat on to the city mission.

    trickle-down in action. the poor eat sausages after all, we all know which bits are in there.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2024 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    If we described ECE as "infrastructure" would its benefit to cost ratio of more than 20 mean it got funded rather than the BCR < 1 holiday highway and transmission gully oil splurgefests?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Alastair Jamieson,

    If this thread is anything to go by, the Kaimanawa ponies better look out

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    the poor eat sausages after all, we all know which bits are in there.

    good honest bits, the guts of the nation, etc.
    know my place, guv

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig I think you can colour me serious

    I'm sure I can, Julie, but you're in the minority. All too often I've heard that statement with more riders and exemptions than your average insurance policy fine print. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11783 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    know my place, guv

    good girl. now go take care of the children and cook me some dinner.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2024 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    (Isn't Sacha a boy?)

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 216 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Frankly I'd much rather have a progressive tax system. I'd be quite happy to pay more tax.

    Yeah, I keep hearing that but I don't actually believe it because all too often it seems to turn into "I'd be quite happy if someone else paid a lot more tax, and all the shit I care about gets a lot more money".

    I thought you were against argumenti ad hominem.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Robert Urquhart,

    Someone here will be able to answer this quickly - what is the new acc rate(s)?

    Christchurch • Since Mar 2009 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    But bear in mind that with the increase in gst on fodder, you may not be able to feed it. So unless you're buying it in order to make tasty pony stew in the stockpot, then it's not a good idea.

    Nono. Hold onto the pony, cover your pony mortgage and expenses entirely from renting it out, and then sell it off with a big capital gain.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6147 posts Report Reply

  • HORansome,

    Just a point of order, gentlefolk. Gross generalisations aren't ad hominem arguments; they're more a variety of the Strawman Fallacy but, really just call them what they are, which is a gross generalisation.

    Tāmaki Makaurau • Since Sep 2008 • 401 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Know my place, superwealthy styles

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    a gross generalisation

    ewww

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Gross generalisations aren't ad hominem arguments

    but "You would say that; you're poor" is.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hold onto the pony

    Just make sure it only lives 50 years, max

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16272 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Basically, Bill English is borrowing for tax cuts because he believes in magic.


    We are all fucked.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1741 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    As with Sam Morgan, you are welcome to make additional direct payments

    Whilst "fuck off" was a reasonable response to this comment it is worth, just for the record, pointing out why.

    Taxation, whether by the government, the Pope or your feudal lord relies on a collective. They idea is that it is only an effective system if most of us contribute.

    So, whilst it is lovely if individuals, rich and poor, donate an extra proportion of their income to worthy causes we can only guarantee that this will be effective on a large and sustainable basis if everyone gets taxed on the same basis. There is no point in individuals "paying more" if they chose to do so, the marginal effect is negligible.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1615 posts Report Reply

  • mattgeeknz,

    The budget was pretty good in terms of delivering on their promises. We got the tax cuts they've been yowling about for the last 10 years. Higher GST means there's more incentive to save and invest rather than spend on consumer goods, which has got to be good for the country, but only for those people that actually have a disposable income.

    I'm struggling to figure out how any of this is going to help pay for an aging population though: the universal pension and the suspension of payments to the super fund means that a less fortunate government is probably going to have to hike the tax rates back up within 10 years anyway. Look at their estimates for superannuation allowances over the next few years, they jump from 500 million to 1.9 billion by 2014. Those are some scary numbers.

    Wellington • Since Mar 2010 • 22 posts Report Reply

  • Keith Ng,

    So is it OK with them if we withhold their salaries until 2014 and if they're right they get paid? You know like performance based pay.

    Sir, you missed the punchline. We can wait till 2014, and it'll still be impossible to know if they were right or wrong.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 530 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And my favourite spectacularly disingenuous Budget reax (so far, must be this (h/t NZ Herald):

    Community Gaming Association chairman John Burke says GST increase to 15% will mean less money for community groups from proceeds of gambling.

    Can't decide whether to go with:
    a) Widdums.
    b) Silly compulsive gamblers -- how dare they harm community groups by spending money on food, rent and other crap.
    c) How stupid you do think I am, John?
    d) All of the above.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11783 posts Report Reply

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