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Up Front: Eat Up Your Brothelly

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  • Russell Brown,

    Yes. So I reckon one hit wonder.Crappy reality TV, which I wouldn't be bothered to watch. Can't get behind all Truman like.Jus' sayin'

    I know Rebekah Hay, Pam's production partner. She's quite emphatic that it's not a reality TV series, but a documentary about launching the business.

    You could argue whether that's really a documentary, but it seems they don't intend to make something ghastly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 19019 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Is that the ginger beer Rebekah?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16838 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Is there a mid-point in intimate-touching-allowed strip shows?

    Yes, it's about halfway down the stairs with all your teeth missing.

    Okay, so I had to research this. On the internet.

    When it's women who are stripping for men in Western countries, the rule is almost invariably no touching.

    Not necessarily so when it's men stripping for women.

    While the internet videos of hen parties taking it in turns to fellate buff dancers are mostly staged with professionals, it seems that kind of contact is far from unknown in real shows in Britain and the US.

    One outfit, USA Hunks, seems to promote its show on the touch factor:

    As one of the girls described it, watching them is almost like watching, "a dirty boy band" perform. They've got choreographed acts and they lip sync, they just happen to also strip and be in incredibly good shape. The women at the club were rabid. There was screaming, yelling, clamors for private lap dances, and bills flying everywhere. And unlike female strip clubs, the women are actually encouraged to touch the male strippers as often and frequently as possible. It was quite the memorable event. I was particularly enamored with one dancer, Tyson, who kind of reminded me of a bald, Shemar Moore. The man was hot...and quite popular with the ladies based on the immediate raise in decibel level whenever he was on stage. He definitely knows how to work a crowd. Hunk-o-mania at club Element is quite the experience. I'd recommend it for a fun night out with friends or for birthdays, bachelorette parties, yada yada.

    Oddly enough, I think the customer review itself might be fake -- it seems replicated on several directory sites.

    But there are apparently-genuine accounts of more hardcore action at male strip clubs, as in this discussion of The Hunks.

    And from another thread on Britain's Female First website (SFW, but includes links to what I presume is some deeply NSFW video):

    i'm having my 18th in glasgow and my wee friends hav gott me a male stripper, he gonna do 2 shows, first one down to his gstrings, 2nd one full monty, not allowed to touch him during t show but i'm gettin a private peak and a chance to rub babyoil onto his big willy, cant wait cos i've never really seen a man in full glory b4, its gonna be a nite of fun, fun, fun

    So yeah, basically, it does seem that it can be different for the ladies.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 19019 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Is that the ginger beer Rebekah?

    Indeed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 19019 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    She's quite emphatic that it's not a reality TV series, but a documentary about launching the business.

    Ok,so not so Truman, little bit Trumpy.? Still, look forward to your review RB. I'll pass.
    If it was like Play School, I might be tempted though.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6349 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Is it truly bizarre pop culture synergy that this thread went live the same day as Dollhouse -- which, when it hits it's stride in a few weeks, suggests the lines between madonnas and whores aren't always where you expect them to be.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12052 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    So yeah, basically, it does seem that it can be different for the ladies.

    Yup, that's a lot different. But it still sounds basically like stripping. The women who strip are also usually the ones with dancer-esque bodies, whereas prostitutes come in all sizes and shapes.

    I do think, however, that women might find that a lot more satisfying than men do, that their idea of what even constitutes a sex act to be quite different. And if they like it, well then, who am I to say "but that's just a strip show"? It sounds like a lot more fun (for them) than guys seem to have in brothels, by accounts.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8675 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    umm ... David .... rule34 ....

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2188 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    emphatic that it's not a reality TV series, but a documentary

    Can I just check if I have this straight....If you film something that was going to happen anyway whether cameras were present or not, and present it in a completely straight (or possibly with a slight spin), but essentially factual manner....

    Thats not "reality", but documentary, right?

    Because "reality" is actually at least 90% fake?

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 800 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    It sounds like a lot more fun (for them) than guys seem to have in brothels, by accounts.

    Okay, so I started this whole thing to try to deal with an icky generalisation, and now I think I'm going to make one. Everything in the sex industry seems to be different, tonally, atmospherically, when women organise it for women. The 'going to the toilet' analogy might be a good one: men go alone, don't speak, don't make eye contact. Women go in groups, chat, make it a social occasion. (Not, I have to say, women in groups I go out drinking with. I've never done this, find it really uncomfortable, but it does happen because I've had to endure sharing space with these groups.)

    When women go to strip shows it's not alone, lurking in a corner in a trench-coat, it's in big noisy groups. Women go to lingerie parties and sex toy parties. Now, I'm pretty sure we've got a fairly liberal, open-minded group here and that it would contain a few men who could manage handling sex toys and discussing sexual practices with their friends, but am I completely out of line in thinking this kind of social behaviour is more common with women?

    So maybe that's the key to making this work: to make it social. Make it somewhere women will go as a group, out of curiosity or whatever, and see how long before they're all, "Go on, Esme, gwooooon! Get some in ya!"

    I'm... not sure how this would gel with the Pammy's idea of giving the men deportment lessons and shit. They probably have something altogether more refined and discreet in mind.

    I... have informed the relevant professionals about Haywood's Windows fetish.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4371 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Eat Up Your Brothelly

    Getting the cherry on a frosty night........a cold deflower

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1502 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    I've often thought that they should have a brothel where the sex workers dress up as 'windows' from the television programme Play School.

    Yikes! I guess Big Ted and Little Ted have a role to play??

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2333 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Is it just me or does anyone else find that sidebar for drug help excessively annoying????

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2333 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Yikes! I guess Big Ted and Little Ted have a role to play??

    I'm sorry to have to report that Little Ted was killed in an explosion.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I think the idea of a club, or what have you, where you could go with a girlfriend, you know, a friend who just happens to be a girl (or the other way around of course) and you can both pop off for a shag and come back and chat about it over a drink or three, could be a great idea.
    It would save all that bother of having to say "I suppose we're a couple now" and all that exclusivity that goes with it. Let's face it. If your partner likes to go off and have a game of golf or go to the theatre or movies, with a friend we have no problem, we don't have to share all the same interests when in a relationship, but as soon as you shag someone, well all hell breaks loose
    Yup, so two pints of larger and a blowjob please.
    Or is that all a bit Roman for your liking?.
    ;-)

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4947 posts Report Reply

  • Claire Browning,

    I should note, for what it's worth, that this column suffers slightly from having had some difficult last-minute changes made to it because of what I am almost 100% sure has been some heavy toning-down of the Pundit column. I could be wrong, but it doesn't appear to be today what I read yesterday.

    You may be almost 100% sure, but you are 100% wrong.

    Since Aug 2010 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    If you want guy candy, there's always Dustin Clare (Sean) in TVNZ's Satisfaction, who plays a straight male sex worker in the fictional Melbourne elite brothel 232.

    However, in practice, most male sex workers apparently chase the more monied gay male market ("gay for pay.") How occupational feminism and career mobility for women might have affected the size of the straight female market for sex work is a moot point, though. According to my friend Calum over @ NZPC, not very much...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 377 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    I agree. A lot of the time, you can't even give it away

    You're like baked beans on toast. When a woman is hungry, it's easy enough to reach into the cupboard to pull it out, but it's not necessarily very tasty, and when you're done you have to do the dishes, and deal with the stench of burnt toast, and maybe your flatmate had her eye on that can of beans that you ate, so you're in trouble now.

    But sometimes you want a really really good spectacular tasty meal served up for you, and you don't mind paying to get the very best.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    You're like baked beans on toast.

    On the contrary, my dear.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    What's the contrary of beans on toast? Shrimps on jelly?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7404 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    or innuendo on a bagel?


    (That drug sidebar is still driving me crazy!!)

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2333 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    What's the contrary of beans on toast? Shrimps on jelly?

    I knew you'd say that. :)

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Everything in the sex industry seems to be different, tonally, atmospherically, when women organise it for women. The 'going to the toilet' analogy might be a good one: men go alone, don't speak, don't make eye contact.

    No, I don't think that men in strip clubs are that much different. Yeah there's definitely the sit-quietly-alone-and-watch types but there's plenty of drunken yahoo crowds too, having a big laugh about it all. But no touching, for fairly sound reasons.

    Men will go to strip clubs just to have a drink, socialize, play some pool, chat to strangers, etc. But for-men brothels are all about the business. In NZ, that is. Perhaps a different model could work for women.

    I'll believe it when I see it. People see watching and fucking as very different activities. They see other people doing it in a very different way too, and judge each very differently.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8675 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg,

    Also. Men paying women for sex = degrading to women. However, women paying men for sex = degrading to women. Wuh?

    Yes, that is indeed wrong. But, possibly due to a thoroughly Lutheran upbringing, how about People paying people for sex = degrading to people?

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    People paying people for sex = degrading to people

    I could never get this. Why would it be degrading? I mean so long as neither party feels that way. Obviously if you've been forced into the profession, yeah, I get that. But otherwise, what's the exact issue that you have with that particular transaction?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7404 posts Report Reply

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