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  • Joe Wylie,

    This rather proves that someone doesn't actually know anything about the government or state, wihich rather diminishes the power of his observations.

    This'd be the perpetually whining Mr. grower, who started out with the name-calling ("muppet", "idiot"), immediately followed by the passive-aggressive "i do hope that the kiwi blog infection does not spread too deep here at PA".

    Seriously, if grower's jolly demeanour is any kind of indication of the effect his product has on the end user, he's hardly likely to be earning enough from his enterprise to be required to file a tax return.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3552 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    I certainly get the feeling that P Grower's general distrust of the census is less about a disagreement with the collection of information and more related to his other activities.

    As a point of interest, information gathered pursuant to the Statistics Act 1975 is considered to be so private that its release cannot even be ordered by a court. It can only occur as evidence in a prosecution brought under the Act or in accordance with the provisions of the Act relating to use of statistical information. That's pretty private, IMHO.

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3909 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    That's pretty private, IMHO.

    Yup, but not as private as never even giving the information.

    That's part of the reason I won't fly through the USA. It's not that I'm a criminal, it's just that being fingerprinted is something I don't want done to me, like ever. I don't really feel the need to provide a coherent excuse.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    For the record:

    TVNZ's complaints committee has upheld the flood of complaints over Paul Henry's questioning of Sir Anand Satyanand's ethnic suitability to be Governor-General, acknowledging his remarks "encourage discrimination".

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Yup, but not as private as never even giving the information.

    Of course, but there are clear social benefits from the collection of the information, assuming one doesn't live in a true libertarian paradise[tm] where anything that you want is provided entirely at your expense and discretion.

    And I suspect even a true libertarian paradise[tm] would struggle to handle matters such as school construction without accurate indicators of how many school-age children reside in a particular area, unless said true libertarian paradise[tm] just put each child in their own learning pod and the pod travelled with the child to be clustered with other learning pods at whichever school happened to attract that child's parents' education dollar.

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3909 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg,

    .. unless said true libertarian paradise[tm] just put each child in their own learning pod and the pod travelled with the child to be clustered with other learning pods at whichever school happened to attract that child's parents' education dollar

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Martin, you mean there's an untapped market for wacky piss-take ideas? I thought Libertarianz had that cornered?

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3909 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Pods. Oh dear...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12031 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    The hint is in my user name here

    how does the census have anything to do with you growing pot?

    Who said anything about pot? He's a Peter Grower.

    I'll take a Piper, a Pan, a Jackson, a Sellers and one 'The Great', please.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Of course, but there are clear social benefits from the collection of the information, assuming one doesn't live in a true libertarian paradise[tm] where anything that you want is provided entirely at your expense and discretion.

    Yes, there are clear social benefits from having everyone fingerprinted too. However, there are also downsides to people collecting information about you, namely that it could be used against you. Sure, there's protections against that being done with census data. But, like I said, who needs nebulous protections when you haven't given them the information in the first place? I don't have to trust the US government and every single official in it, to avoid having them abuse my rights regarding my fingerprints. Because they don't have them, and they never will.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8584 posts Report Reply

  • Peter grower,

    ya know what ?????

    upon re-reading the abuse that this thread has.

    I think russel should re-name his site PublicKiwiAddressBlog.

    Who would have thought that the mild civil disobediance of not doing a census would result in such a wide range of insults.

    Anti-vaccination, paranoid, tin-hats, mocking, irrelevant, delusional, off the planet, non-functioning pothead, paranoid conspiracy theories.


    A liberal lynch mob use a better standard of insult than kiwi blog.

    Very dissapointing though .......................

    Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Peter, go right ahead with your mild civil disobedience, just don't act like you're sticking it to the man by doing so.

    Ignorance is one reason the world still needs change. You bring deficient reasoning here and you'll get called on it. Your cause deserves better.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16741 posts Report Reply

  • Peter grower,

    I cant recall saying not doing a census was "sticking it to the man ".

    I call it mild civil disobediance.

    And the things I heard you calling sacha was " irrelevant delusional clown", and" non-functioning pothead".

    Thats quite a bit of extrapolation from your good self.

    I suppose at Kiwi Blog they would have called me an unemployed loser as well .............

    And they'd be wrong.

    Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Who would have thought that the mild civil disobediance of not doing a census would result in such a wide range of insults.

    You mean like "clown", "muppet" and "idiot"?

    All insults you were happy to call Ross.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Peter grower,

    Ross was making shit up about me .......................

    Spot the difference ????????



    Sacha's quite good at it too.


    By sticking up for a mob you'll allways have numbers on your side ;-)

    Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    Ross was making shit up about me

    When? All I can see is that he compared your comment about your total lack of trust and respect for our "leaders" with a similar line coming from many who are against vaccination. He did not, as you claimed, actually state you personally were anti-vaccination. He also didn't throw any insults your way.

    As it stands, it seems you feel you can insult people for making observations that annoy you, but whine if others do the same in reverse.

    And for an example of “making shit up”, see the comment about the census supposedly showing that twice the number of Samoan males live in NZ as females. It was by Peter grower.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Peter grower,

    What Ross wrote about me was ....................."A classic line from the likes of those who won't vaccinate (and NOT limited to this) their kids."

    Sounds like he was ascribing being non-vaccination to me .......

    Also I admit mistakenly REPEATING an urban myth regarding Samoans and the census ( which had it genisis where?, overstayers during the time of the dawn raids perhaps ?)

    You steve seem to be saying that I invented and made up this urban myth all by myself.

    I dont think even you believe that.

    But you couldn't help yourself from writing it.

    Its that KiwiPAB virus that seems to be infectious .


    I'll also admit that I've been rather poor at communicating what is a complicated set of beliefs and life experiences which leads me to circumvent doing the census.

    My poorness in communicating and antagonisim towards Ross for his "classic line " bullshit has resulted in no-one looking good.

    One of PA's more piss poor perfomances I would have thought.

    Since Dec 2006 • 30 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    I don’t know where you got your claim from, Peter; all I know is know is that you made the claim and it was rubbish. If you’re going to make a claim that’s a repeat of one you heard elsewhere, you should check it. Yours was a better example of making shit up than the one you were trying to attribute to Ross.

    What Ross wrote about me was ....................."A classic line from the likes of those who won't vaccinate (and NOT limited to this) their kids."

    Yes, he was saying your remark was the same as a line used by those who are anti-vaccination. And in his view, there is a comparison with the need for public collective vaccination and the need for information about the populace. You may not agree with that point, but regardless, he was not saying that you personally were necessarily anti-vaccination, and he didn’t throw any epithets your way intending to insult you. Yet you reacted to what he said by insulting him three times. So when you came back to the thread just to complain that you were insulted that was hypocritical.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a cashew, a cashew, we all fall down...
    is this a case of poison ivesy?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5046 posts Report Reply

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