Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

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Legal Beagle: Asking the next question

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  • Graeme Edgeler,

    I make the same mistake every time ... comments now on.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    "Have you done criminal background checks into all of your people? Is there anything in there that you'd like to share with the public now, rather than in 2 years time?"

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8323 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie,

    "When you said your leadership would lift ACT's polling into 'double figures', did you realise that '2' is not a double figure?"

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1128 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Damian Christie,

    Who would have thought Brash thinks in binary?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8323 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    "Why? In the name of all the Gods, why?"

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11874 posts Report Reply

  • Danyl Mclauchlan,

    Mine would be something like, 'When you speak about race issues you ask the public to accept that you're acting in good faith, and not race-baiting or 'playing the racist card'. Yet you surround yourself with candidates and staffers who repeatedly make comments that speak the language of racism and white supremacy. How can we accept your claim of good faith given this wider context?'

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 901 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    “If 30 years of trickle-down economics have failed to trickle sufficiently to raise Maori from the bottom of most socio-economic measurement scales, what do you propose to do to improve their lot while not enacting policies that do more for one particular ethnic group than any other?”

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3898 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    If I could hazard an answer, it’s that ACT basically dislike democracy (see this blog from a Libertarian as to why), believing it to be a means by which the unworthy masses steal from the overclass.

    Given that, any subterfuge to gain power is justified, and if that means being in a government with Maori, so be it. (Because if they withdrew confidence and supply, Key would run a serious campaign in Epsom, and ACT would be out of parliament next time. Which would in turn put the kibosh on the plan to merge with National and install Brash as PM a year or so after the election).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4423 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    “If 30 years of trickle-down economics have failed

    Unfortunately, the answer would be "that was not a proper free market" leading to one of the three inevitable answers
    a) More deregulation
    b) Get tough on crime
    c) Don't let the brown people take your stuff (there is overlap between b & c in this mindset)

    My question would be something like- Is there any level of empirical evidence that would cause you to change your mind on this? If so, what?

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 856 posts Report Reply

  • James Butler, in reply to David Hood,

    My question would be something like- Is there any level of empirical evidence that would cause you to change your mind on this? If so, what?

    Brash has repeatedly claimed that he changed his mind from an orthodox "social democrat" perspective to his later right-leaning views based on empirical evidence he was exposed to during his academic study. So I suspect there's something wrong with his concept of "evidence" in the first place.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2009 • 801 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to David Hood,

    Unfortunately, the answer would be "that was not a proper free market" leading to one of the three inevitable answers

    That was my thinking, and Graeme's question is still a good one (do you sometimes cross- examine, Graeme?) - you should never ask a question that gives the person a chance to wax lyrical whilst avoiding the question. It's got to be specific. If it leads to arguing with the interviewer, the interviewer has already lost. No one really wants to hear what they have to say.

    So, basically, questions about facts.

    "Which specific state assets are you most intent on selling, and how much do you want for them?"

    ETA If the answer to that is "I don't know" or "We'll be looking at that" then the follow up HAS to be about "so, given that you haven't done the numbers on these sales, why are you really so keen on them?"

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8323 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY,

    My question would be this: Which version of the Treaty of Waitangi are you relying upon when trying to justify your "one law for all" policy? The one in Maori that most chiefs signed, or the English one? And did you also bother to read Articles I and II of the Treaty?

    Okay, so that's technically three questions...

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 789 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to ScottY,

    Yeah, I was going to suggest "how do Articles 1, 2, and 3 of the Treaty relate to one another?"

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16500 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones, in reply to ScottY,

    Back in the Orewa day, someone asked him that, and he said he was familiar with both versions, and also the Littlewood one. The latter is a draft or translation discovered in 1992 that nobody actually signed, but which nevertheless gets the Maori Weren't Here First crowd very excited because it fails to promise a few things that the real ones do, and is apparently being Suppressed.

    Ansell mentioned it the other day as well, shortly before referring to pre-Maori races. Both are indicators of high-dose conspiracy theory.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 791 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to B Jones,

    Back in the Orewa day, someone asked him that, and he said he was familiar with both versions, and also the Littlewood one. The latter is a draft or translation discovered in 1992 that nobody actually signed, but which nevertheless gets the Maori Weren't Here First crowd very excited because it fails to promise a few things that the real ones do, and is apparently being Suppressed.

    I don't understand. Why is a draft that no-one actually signed important? I'd have thought it was irrelevant, except as evidence that the drafters refined their thinking somewhere along the way.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1630 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    Don't ask me, it's a conspiracy. Doesn't have to make sense, only that the Truth is being Covered Up by Vested Interests.

    It's very helpful as a shibboleth for redneckery, anyway.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 791 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    There is good evidence that it's actually a back-translation of the Maori into English. There is, I understand, a line that has rednecks/Martin Doutre et al squeeing, that the land et al is not only for "the chiefs & tribes of New Zealand" but also for "and the people (of New Zealand.)'

    Cant go back to the (I think)Treaty History site (thunderstorms in succession one after the boring booming other) - but I do reccommend it-

    o, and ANYONE who goes on wittering about pre-Maori people settling here - *without* producing scientific evidence - is from the outer dark, and should remain there. Ross Wiseman, Martin Doutre, Barry Brailsford and too many other ageing Pakeha males - yep, I'm looking at you sadsack phuquewitz-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • ScottY, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    I don't understand. Why is a draft that no-one actually signed important?

    The fact that you find it strange how someone could be legally bound by something they never saw, never signed and in any case couldn’t read just goes to show how much damage the Maori radicals have done to this country.

    Yorke of The Atatu • Since Feb 2009 • 789 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to ScottY,

    Heh!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • dave crampton,

    Bugger. I saw Brash on Friday. Wish I had read this earlier...

    welli • Since Jan 2007 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I’d ask about the process behind this.

    By what process were these ads created and approved?

    Were they solely the work of the guy you’ve now fired?

    Who else was involved?

    Who wrote the press releases in your name?

    Did you read them before they went out?

    And you didn’t have a problem with [insert quote here]?

    To what extent is Act’s actual policy stance being shaped by these colourful press releases and controversial ads?

    Are you fully in control of this process?

    You’ve spoken about radical Maori. But Lindsay Perigo, who has been writing your press releases, has said [insert barking quote here] and [insert barking quote here]. That seems fairly radical. Do you agree with him on that?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18718 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    The Maori Party is radical free, now that Hone has left. Only respectable Maori leaders in it nowadays.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Susan Snowdon,

    The Maori Party is radical free

    Is that because of the anti-oxidants?

    Since Mar 2008 • 96 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed, in reply to Angus Robertson,

    The Maori Party is radical free, now that Hone has left. Only respectable Maori leaders in it nowadays.

    By 'respectable', did you really mean 'brown table'?

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4162 posts Report Reply

  • Susannah Shepherd,

    It's a variant on previous questions, but mine would be:

    If you entered into a contractual arrangement and the other party decided to ignore the clauses in the contract that protected your interests, but still demanded you honour the clauses that protected their interests, would you agree and comply? If not, why not?

    And the Littlewood Treaty - it must be a contender for the highest average level of lunacy per item of correspondence to Ministers...

    Wellington • Since Jan 2008 • 57 posts Report Reply

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