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Hard News: Meanwhile in Epsom ...

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  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    In 1990, Taito Philip Field looked pretty damn meritorious on paper when he won the selection for Otara. How did that work out in the end?

    Pretty much exactly how David Lange warned it would, sadly.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18503 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    The idea that all you need to get a National nomination is a well-connected daddy and a fat chequebook is as silly as the meme

    I'm sure that's true Craig but, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge of the inner workings of that party, can you tell me ( honestly would love to know) how did Quinn get in there?
    Too soon? slightly, yes but made me smile too . :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5918 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Lange opposed Field's selection? A pity they wouldn't listen to him. (Also, I think the assumption that only a feudal noble social authoritarian would suit was rather insulting to an electorate that had returned Lange seven times).

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    how did Quinn get in there?

    One could also query the (I assume not to be repeated) selection of Stephen Franks to tilt at the winnable, liberal seat of Wellington Central.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Son of sly-grogging backroom-abortionists,

    Avondale was quite teh place back in the day.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1155 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Lange opposed Field’s selection?

    Oh hell yes. And he continued to publicly question Field's ethical fitness.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18503 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    One could also query the (I assume not to be repeated) selection of Stephen Franks to tilt at the winnable, liberal seat of Wellington Central.

    Stephen Franks did not seek a nomination (for any party, so far as I know) this election. National has chosen diplomat Paul Foster-Bell as its Wellington Central candidate.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2988 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    Epsom is an urban liberal seat and I wonder, is Banks an appropriate candidate for it? Much will depend on who National eventually selects- someone like Simpson or Bhatnagar (city council experience already) will indicate that they lack confidence in their satellite party or its candidate.

    Is it true some nineties vintage Nats still wake up screaming when they remember the last time the former Akld mayor in question was part of their caucus...???

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 367 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    Yeah, I was talking about Franks' candidacy last time. I had kinda assumed he wouldn't be back.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Christopher Dempsey,

    Oh Epsom, what a clusterfuck you are.

    I live in the electorate, which includes the liberal enclave of Parnell. We can't seem to outvote the blue rinse set just down the road. However, please note I quite sometime ago declared my home to be a seperate republic, distinct from Epsom electorate, so just in case anyone is wondering, it's the rest of Epsom electorate that's a clusterfuck, not my place. :)

    Parnell / Tamaki-Auckland… • Since Sep 2008 • 639 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    I hope that it is a democratic republic!!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 195 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Craig Young,

    Epsom is an urban liberal seat and I wonder, is Banks an appropriate candidate for it?

    Hide wasn't exactly a liberal candidate either. He was a populist, which runs counter to the idea that Epsom is indeed "liberal". It's demographically all over the place-old money, new money, middle class recent immigrants (both national and international) and their 1st generation children, even a few apartment blocks with single twentysomethings. A left wing candidate hasn't scored more than 17% in 2005 (Stuart Nash; Kate Sutton scored 13.5% in 2008.)

    I suspect that the reason right wing candidates do so well in the electorate is the diverse demographics-ACT and National only need to target the people that are likely to vote, and can safely ignore the rest, even if "the rest" is a theoretical majority.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 846 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Craig Young,

    Epsom is an urban liberal seat and I wonder, is Banks an appropriate candidate for it?

    Well, if they make the wrong choice those silly simple-minded voters get to make their own call in the time-honoured fashion -- in Epsom as everywhere else.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11781 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Wow, I can't believe I'm actually going to be hoping for National to win an electoral seat!

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 723 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby, in reply to Christopher Dempsey,

    please note I quite sometime ago declared my home to be a seperate republic, distinct from Epsom electorate

    if you’ll please explain that to our ACT party representatives.

    they will be visiting your premises some time this evening. please ignore the small black bag, it is not for your head, and the pliers, which are under no circumstances to be applied to your nipples, testicles, or fingernails.

    88

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2024 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Joanna,

    Wow, I can’t believe I’m actually going to be hoping for National to win an electoral seat!

    If Richard Simpson were to get the nod, more so.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18503 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Fish, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    Voting a bit skewed in Epsom, lots of Labour/Greens voters (including me) voted for Richard Worth last election (that went well!)
    However the area I live in (between Mt Eden Rd & Dominion Rd) there was a decent amount of party votes for Labour/Greens

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • mic weevil, in reply to Ian Fish,

    lots of Labour/Greens voters (including me) voted for Richard Worth last election

    it's pretty farcical when most national supporters are voting Act while green and labour supporters vote national, and yet MMP is still a billion* times better than FPP

    *approximate figure

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 51 posts Report Reply

  • mic weevil,

    of course lowering the threshhold to 1 or 2% would eliminate the distortive electoral vortex emanating from Epsom

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 51 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    True, Andre, but Hide was the lesser of two evils when faced with Dr Richard ("I love Korean dishes") Worth, his predecessor. Who didn't last very long as National MP, remember...?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 367 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Ian Fish,

    Voting a bit skewed in Epsom, lots of Labour/Greens voters (including me) voted for Richard Worth last election (that went well!)

    At the 2008 general election in Epsom:

    * Among Labour Party party voters, Rodney Hide was more popular than Richard Worth.

    * More Maori Party party voters favoured Rodney Hide than favoured any other candidate.

    * 11 people who gave their Party Vote to Act gave their electorate vote to Keith Locke (and 216 supported Worth).

    * The Green Party got more party votes than the ACT Party.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2988 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Craig Young,

    Hide was the lesser of two evils when faced with Dr Richard (“I love Korean dishes”) Worth, his predecessor. Who didn’t last very long as National MP, remember…?

    Richard Worth was in Parliament for ~10 years. Rodney's been there ~14 years. It's more, but the difference ain't great.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2988 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    the threshold should be changed to 2.5% of party votes or 2 electorate seats.

    tokyo • Since Nov 2006 • 628 posts Report Reply

  • recordari, in reply to stephen walker,

    Yeah, that and passing the reptilian shape shifter test.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Leigh Kennaway, in reply to andin,

    Avondale was quite teh place back in the day.

    Actually the Banks' lived in East St, Newton. JB went to Avondale College because Auckland Grammar rejected his application. John Banks has a habit of giving out copies of his biography (which is how it appeared on my bookshelves) - I guess that prevents it from ending up in the remaindered bin at Whitcoulls.

    Western Bays • Since Feb 2007 • 79 posts Report Reply

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