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  • DCBCauchi,

    Just for off-topic laughs, towards a definition of art:

    An art work is an object, whether real or virtual, whose constituent elements have been intentionally arranged for a non-functional purpose and that is presented in such a way that it refers to other art works.

    Discuss.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Yeah but you wrote that out ;-)

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Sacha,

    Right up there with L Ron Hubbard.

    Hey, Battlefield Earth was a cracking good read when I was 15.

    Yeah, I've read it. Out and proud, man, out and proud. Don't lay your societal hangups on me.

    Which neatly brings me to...

    I always feel isolated in those kind of discussions, expecting at any moment that people will work out I like the wrong kind of music or TV shows, have the wrong taste in books, etc.

    The older I get, the less I care (in all senses) for other peoples implicit or explicit judgement on my tastes. Very happy to find common ground, lowbrow or high, leftfield or centre ground. But other peoples value judgements on those things we don't have in common are not welcome.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2395 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to merc,

    zing

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16599 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to merc,

    Yeah but you wrote that out ;-)

    It's all because of the tyranny of fascist structures this totalitarian society has imposed on me! I.e. the keyboard!!!

    The injustice of it all!!!!!

    It's all a conspiracy of computer designers to keep us ignorant and enslaved.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    We are both too old to be angry young men ;-)

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to merc,

    Bloody kids today. Don't know what angry is. Not like when I were a lad!

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to DCBCauchi,

    An art work is an object, whether real or virtual, whose constituent elements have been intentionally arranged for a non-functional purpose and that is presented in such a way that it refers to other art works.

    Discuss.

    That's a self-referential definition. Unless you point to the other art works, I can't use it to identify any art works.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8433 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    and why should I care whether something 'is' art anyway?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16599 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    This discussion may be veering dangerously towards the same subject matter as The Great PAS Art War of 2010.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2395 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to BenWilson,

    That's a self-referential definition. Unless you point to the other art works, I can't use it to identify any art works.

    Yes it is. Luckily, there are 50,000 years' worth of art works to point to, in a wonderful variety of forms.

    I reckon it has to be self-referential to include references to other works within the work as well as presentation in gallery contexts etc.

    Requirements for a definition of art:

    It has to include all art and exclude all non-art.

    This means questions of taste are irrelevant, as are questions of whether something is good art or not.

    All we want is the answer to the question: 'What is art?'

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to Sacha,

    and why should I care whether something 'is' art anyway?

    No reason. But if you do defining what art is is the necessary first step towards defining the criteria for 'good' art.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to Rich Lock,

    The Great PAS Art War of 2010.

    ?

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to DCBCauchi,

    This thread.

    http://publicaddress.net/system/topic/2382/?p=158527#post158527

    The discussion got rather overheated.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2395 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to Rich Lock,

    Oh gods that's right. I do remember.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Every time the word art is written on the innernets, Banksy gets a dollar, I read that on the innernets.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to merc,

    Righty ho ho ho, that's that then.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to DCBCauchi,

    defining the criteria for 'good' art

    yawn

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16599 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich Lock,

    This thread.

    Kicked off, oddly enough, by our resident sports columnist.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18815 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    it's a no braner...

    The Universe, is it really big?.

    6 walls, no corners...
    no up, no down
    just all around
    stray from the light
    a bang in the night
    no place for mortals
    windows or portals
    comical chemistry
    fielding mysteries
    ...words waiting coiners

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4817 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Rich Lock,

    The discussion got rather overheated.

    Ah, those were the days.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2132 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Art
    Discuss.

    art, ick, u late...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4817 posts Report Reply

  • DCBCauchi, in reply to Sacha,

    yawn

    Well, yeah. Really only matters to those making the shit. And a few others. Very few others.

    Nothing wrong with that. Wouldn't have it any other way.

    Must. Resist. Urge. To. Quote. Picabia.

    Since Feb 2011 • 320 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Rich Lock,

    But other peoples value judgements on those things we don't have in common are not welcome.

    I'm often interested to hear, more because it tells me about the person than about the art. But yes, people saying things you like are crap wears thin fast. It seems more likely, the more refined the tastes of the person.

    This discussion may be veering dangerously towards the same subject matter as The Great PAS Art War of 2010.

    Ugh. I'm out now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8433 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to DCBCauchi,

    Really only matters to those making the shit.

    Yeah nah

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

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