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OnPoint: Dear Labour Caucus

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  • Sacha, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Thanks. Here's my question from today.

    insensitive to socioeconomic privilege, its vocabulary and its nuances

    Practical request: can you please link to a forum that you reckon does a good job with that.

    Also trying to find an earlier one upthread.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Isaac Freeman,

    We normally just call it “Interfaith”, but I can see why people might like a noun. It is basically what it sounds like: people from different religions talking to each other.

    This might sound rather odd coming from me, but I can “dialogue” with people of other faiths without a shadow cabinet portfolio or ministerial warrant attached. I’d actually argue that people of faith are the very people who should be most invested in Church (and synagogue and mosque and temple) and State keeping a wary but civil separation.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11622 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    and here's the earlier question, similarly seeking clarification (and responding in passing to the exasperation you expressed).

    identifying progressivism or the Left with Labour/the Greens means reducing the aspirations of anybody below the middle class to whatever those two parties define as thinkable and achievable in real world terms. This is incredibly limiting.

    Please do suggest which other significant political movements/actors you believe we're overlooking. The thread was pretty clearly focused on political parties, and you mentioned unions earlier but if there are others then name them so we can better understand your despair.

    Thanks again.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Sacha,

    Practical request: can you please link to a forum that you reckon does a good job with that.

    Not a current generalist forum, no, not in English at least. One can find excellent and highly accessible writing outside of socialist discussion forums (Scott Hamilton at Reading the Maps and Dougal McNeill at Neu Hauf-Way Hoose are foremost in New Zealand in my books) but no model of what I'm thinking of. Of course there aren't very many open communities a-la PAS to begin with, which is rather the problem. However Usenet had some class-literate politically focussed groups back in the day, and it really shouldn't be an impossible thing to countenance. So long as the lack of that dimension on PAS is even perceived as a problem, and I'm not at all sure that it is.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I can “dialogue” with people of other faiths without a shadow cabinet portfolio or ministerial warrant attached

    Perhaps some sort of counter to the expected strenghtening of the Conservative Party over the next few years? Or a reflection of feedback from some Pacific voters, even?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

  • Isaac Freeman, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I’d actually argue that people of faith are the very people who should be most invested in Church (and synagogue and mosque and temple) and State keeping a wary but civil separation.

    Yes, agreed. I'm comfortable with Labour's involvement in Interfaith as a party, but I'm unclear on how that would remain a good thing in government. Thus far, our main interaction has been via the Human Rights Commission, which seems a sensible arrangement to me.

    Christchurch • Since Feb 2007 • 127 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    Some years back Znet seemed good on providing the discussion-starters but I'm not sure I'd really characterise it as a community.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Sacha,

    Please do suggest which other significant political movements/actors you believe we're overlooking. The thread was pretty clearly focused on political parties, and you mentioned unions earlier but if there are others then name them so we can better understand your despair.

    Mana, the Poverty Action Group, the Alternative Welfare Working Group, the unions with a community outreach, socialist organisations, the Greens when they feel like it. As you'd know disability advocacy groups tend to become quite conscious of class divides. But yeah, there is stuff out there, just not a lot of it - as per the Bruce Jesson quote I think I snuck in there somewhere. However it is very important not to mistake lack of representation with lack of a constituency. Even from the very narrow viewpoint of party politics, it pays to remember that a full third of eligible voters didn't vote.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7315 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    However it is very important not to mistake lack of representation with lack of a constituency.

    Especially in disability politics, I hear you.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15769 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch, in reply to giovanni tiso,

    There's also the The Social Justice Commission of the Anglican Church of Aotearoa & Polynesia, whose activists proved problematic for the Greens during the campaign. Your point is that they are 'movements', rather than parties, and thus are usually seen as outside the sphere of legitimate political debate; while the pronouncements of the Business Roundtable and various other groups are accorded large amounts of space.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2079 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to George Darroch,

    Nice website design, srsly..

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4221 posts Report Reply

  • Cecelia, in reply to George Darroch,

    Great looking website: much to read.

    Hibiscus Coast • Since Apr 2008 • 505 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I was suprised he (Cunliffe) lived in Herne Bay. New Lynn rocks. He really should live there.

    Surely an M.P should live in their patch.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Tell that to dipton-double-dipper Blinglish-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade,

    No I realise he's not the only one, but Herne Bay, live in New Lynn. There's some great houses in New Lynn.

    Your local member of parliament who isn't at all local. John Key should live in Helensville too.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Your local member of parliament who isn’t at all local

    Um, if you're referring to my local MP, that's Rino Tirikatene - and he's definitely local in the Tai Toka electorate...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    There’s some great houses in New Lynn.

    There are some wonderful residences, with incredible harbour views, just minutes from the airport by motorway.

    Goff's non-residence wasn't a great look either for a man who claimed to be of the people. Yet Key's absconding gave him one of the largest majorities in in the country. Perhaps I'm out of touch.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2079 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade, in reply to Islander,

    Well that's they way it should be. Is he reachable?

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Totally. Sent out a calendar to all his possible constituents (=everyone on the Te Tai Toka roll) with his email on it. I tried it. Answer within an hour.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade, in reply to Islander,

    Well. I want a calender.

    and North Korea has a slim chance of freedom before Xmas.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    You're on the Tai Toka roll?
    I'll contact Rino after your confirmation-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Or of the whole north & south of it blowing up-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Eade, in reply to Islander,

    absolutely, North Korea is a time bomb, but always the optimist.

    and "good grace", what an old fashioned word. Russell is such an old school gentleman. But our best reporter.

    auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 1112 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Cecelia,

    Aren’t I allowed to be ageist at my age?

    Yes go for it. Be yourself. Take the bull by the horns and be normal. I know from whence you see him, but bear in mind, with age comes wisdom. Wisdom you say? Did you know that Sofie means wisdom. Jus' sayin' ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5744 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Jeremy Eade,

    Is he reachable?

    Goff is . Street corners. His office, 5 minutes from my front door.Go in unannounced. Get a meeting.. Jackie Blue, 5 minutes from my front door. Never seen it open.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 5744 posts Report Reply

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