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Hard News: Media Mathematics

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  • Euan Mason,

    PS We should welcome Coleman's attempt at rationality, because the ideology that you've suggested is behind this decision could well be applied to national radio, which is easily defended on a rational basis, but difficult to defend if you are attacking an ideology.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Euan Mason,

    People don't make political decisions rationally. Sadly, politicians realise this.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Sacha,

    professional pride, ethics, and regulated standards?

    Bwahahaha!

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 1701 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    quaint, I know

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • john Drinnan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    For the record.
    You may have missed the three items headed DISTRESSED, INDEPENDENCE AND HEAL THYSELF in the Herald media column on December 16.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 31 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to john Drinnan,

    DISTRESSED, INDEPENDENCE AND HEAL THYSELF in the Herald media column

    Here’s the link to make things easier for a new comment poster – welcome aboard.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4204 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Journalists never were any good at maths; they were Good At English at school. And incredibly few even care or see it as a lack. in vital skills. That's why stupid stories like this go unchallenged through the editorial system and end up in print. One would think the editor could do numbers though. Sheesh.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2442 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Tim Wilson ideal for Breakfast TV? Eh?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2442 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart, in reply to Euan Mason,

    I entirely agree that we can best challenge the decision via his dodgy rationalisation, I just didn't want you to think that it was the supposed poor ratings that begat the decision.

    Te Ika A Maui - Waitakere… • Since Oct 2008 • 552 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to john Drinnan,

    I believe someone linked to them at the time; may have even been me.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Sacha,

    Right, we're holding you responsible then. Beatings later.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 1701 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth, in reply to john Drinnan,

    Welcome John. The debate here can be robust but always civil. Looking forward to your participation.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 443 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Phil Lyth,

    always civil

    except for sporadic promises of torture :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to nzlemming,

    <q>Beatings later.</q
    O- ratshit.
    I was hoping for public dismemberment...8>)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Islander,

    he's saving that for the next copyright thread

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth, in reply to Sacha,

    except for sporadic promises of torture :)

    almost always civil

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 443 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Lyth, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Innumeracy

    Then there's the fourth dimension: news-os (yes, Fairfax's West Island subbies strike again.) As I was saying, newsos report on square acres / square hectares. Um, it's already a measure of area. Don't need to square it.

    Wellington • Since Apr 2009 • 443 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Phil Lyth,

    As I was saying, newsos report on square acres / square hectares. Um, it's already a measure of area. Don't need to square

    I can hear Frank Haden rotating from his fatalised state. (He once threatened to fatalise me for a crime against English grammar.)

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2442 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Hebe,

    I can hear Frank Haden rotating from his fatalised state. (He once threatened to fatalise me for a crime against English grammar.)

    Heh! Love that! Ur, did his surname have a ‘y” or ’where/when/who’ (optional) attached? (Maybe a different newso Frank I am remembering...)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Islander,

    Nah, He was Haden. As he said late in his life "I've spent my life battling bullshit." I loved him: he was mad, irascible, inconsistent, brutal, appalling and bloody funny, as well as incredibly well-read and liked a good party, often outlasting those of us many years younger. I have a collected wisdom of Frank that the DOGs (Dominion Old Girls) put out -- I think for his official retirement.

    Are there any newsrooms like that left?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2442 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Withers,

    We know the owners of big media use their outlets to push their political agendas. The recent purchase of 15% of Fairfax by a billionaire Australian miner for *exactly* this purpose is merely more confirmation of what we already know. I no longer expect the New Zealand to be honest, serious or genuine on anything political where it touches the agenda of their corporate masters.

    Thanks for pointing out yet another example of the NZ Herald lying to us all to suit their own agenda.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 279 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Hebe,

    As he said late in his life "I've spent my life battling bullshit."

    and spreading it

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15718 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sacha,

    and spreading it

    Agreed; but I appreciate inconsistency and imperfection more and more as I age.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2442 posts Report Reply

  • Adrian Humm,

    Attention to detail, incisive thinking, connecting the dots: Russell, I think YOU should be working for the Herald. On second thoughts, don't even think about it...

    Dargaville • Since Nov 2006 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Hebe,

    Not that I know of Hebe -aue!
    The Frank Hayden I knew was mainly a magazine sub-ed but he was caustic, a draconian spelling & grammar person - but who would let creative stuff flow.
    One of these days I must collect the -ur- newly-created words I managed to let fly free in the world of print while I was gainfully employed in print & tv journalism...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

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