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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:37:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>"More controversially perhaps, we argue that those who engage in this type of publishing must exercise their powers responsibly, and be accountable to the public on whose trust they rely."</p><p>This shouldn't be controversial, it should be the core focus. </p><p>The media is as big and as influental a part?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:37:02 +1300</pubDate>
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						Maybe a Leveson/Finkelstein Inquiry isn't as distant as we thought.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:40:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						One way to resolve some of the issues, might be to give us all more rights: why on Earth can't I take notes while sitting in the back of a court? Or while seated in the public gallery of the House of Representatives? Why should these things be limited to?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:13:26 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Perhaps the salient question is rather,<br />Who <em>owns</em> the news media?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:18:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Adding further to my comment above:</p><p>what additional rights do the media have that other New Zealanders do not?<br />why is each of these rights limited to media, and is the denial of these rights to other New Zealanders justifiable in 2012?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:43:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Matt Scheurich</title>
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						Speaking as a person who was recipient to a traumatic event and extensive media coverage as a result, I can honestly assure that a majority of mainstream news and publication outlets would sell whatever limbs, organs and grandmothers readily available in order to better their financial position. I saw my?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:53:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						Fair questions &ndash; if the media used their special rights responsibily, were more accurate and more balanced than other groups and the general public, then they might justify special rights. They are merging with wider social media, and merging with personalityism, populism and entertainment so maybe their rights should also?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:02:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Law Commission</title>
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						We would be interested to know whether your experience led you to complain to any of the news media outlets whose coverage you thought was inaccurate/overly invasive &ndash; and if so what the outcome might have been ? Equally if you did not complain, can you tell us why not?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:29:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>One <em>right</em> of recognised media is to be present observing and taking notes of such events as, e.g., parliamentary debates. <br />(Assumption: space is limited at such events, and so not everyone who could conceivably have an interest can physically be present. Further assumption: one purpose is to facilitate access to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:45:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						My first instinct is that if there were a compulsory legal regime, with privileges and responsibilities, it could simply be opt-in. If I, as an independent writer, wish to be a journalist and gain special access, then I should simply be able to declare that in some reasonably low-key way.?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:49:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>judgements of such evidence (potentially leading to revocation of journalistic rights) should be made by an independent referee</q></p><p>State regulation of who may be a journalist? No thank you.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:51:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Where does a PR sit within this?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:55:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>I said ?independent?, not ?government-appointed?.<br />(Equally, you wouldn?t necessarily want a media body having sole control over who could come in off the streets, either.)<br />A body composition that might work fairly well for decisions on any given event would be one representative for each of: (old-media producer); (new-media producer);?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:57:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Is this article calling for a re-definition of publishers? Do media publishers have to have a warrant? Do journalists have to be registered?<br />How does the system work?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:17:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jan Farr</title>
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						<p><q>what additional rights do the media have that other New Zealanders do not?<br />why is each of these rights limited to media, and is the denial of these rights to other New Zealanders justifiable in 2012?</q></p><p>For me Graeme's question raises the issue of the decline of investigative journalism.  How?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:18:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						Where, if at all does NZOnAir fit into this? Given that they appear to be the only documentary funders around. Are they a publisher? Are there categories of publisher?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:29:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Another right formally accorded to journalists and not the general public is the right not to disclose sources (at the judge's discretion) in the <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0069/latest/DLM393681.html" target="_blank">Evidence Act 2006</a>:</p><p><q> <strong>informant</strong> means a person who gives information to a journalist in the normal course of the journalist?s work in the expectation that the?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:33:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete George</title>
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						<p>During the election I complained directly to journalists, and to a news editor by phone followed up by email (who hasn't responded yet, his attitude was very 'couldn't care less'). </p><p>I didn't go through formal channels because the time that would take renders it pointless.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:38:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q> where respectful space would have been more appropriate.</q></p><p>Hope you are doing ok now Matt. <br />I think you are right too. Campbell Live seems to always come across as a show with integrity whenever I watch it. I think it helps that their frontman is genuine.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:39:21 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>journalist means a person who in the normal course of that person?s work may be given information by an informant in the expectation that the information may be published in a news medium</q><br />This seems very vague.<br /><q>We need to define who the news media are.</q><br />I was kind of?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:44:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<q>Assuming that we don?t want, say, white-collar criminals or malicious bloggers to use it as a loophole to avoid answering questions or producing documents, this would seem to bring us back to the need to answer the question in the title of this discussion. We need to define who the?</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:50:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						Do Nicky Hager's books qualify as a "news medium"? A court would likely stretch the definition, but on a simple first reading of the definition, I'd say not.
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>I was kind of hoping that the existing "news medium" who publish information therein sic, see above, are already defined in law?</q></p><p>The proposed criteria that the Law Commission is kicking around are:</p><p><q><br />...in order to qualify for these special news media privileges and exemptions, publishers must have the following?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:10:14 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Thank you, does Stuff fall into this category?<br /><q>the generation and/or aggregation</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:20:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>publication must be regular and not occasional</q></p><p>So the sources of evidence for Nicky Hager?s books are not protected? Try again, Law Commission.</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>One could say that Hager is a regular producer of investigative books :-)</p><p>Possibly a more accurate statement of intent behind this condition could be that "the information disclosed is expected to be published within a reasonable timeframe" ... and possibly also "the informant should be informed in advance of?</p>
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p>I see little point regulating the news media. (whom I understand to be any publication which generates revenue and provides a narrative of current events)</p><p>The only practical regulation outside the normal constraint of the law that I can think of would be for any registered news media publication to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:19:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						Yes, good point. Other examples of book as journalism: Hood's A City Possessed, McNeish's Mask of Sanity, and possibly the biggest NZ one in my life time, Yallop's Beyond Reasonable Doubt.
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				<title>Law Commission</title>
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						Nicky Hager?s sources might possibly be protected under the ?journalists? sources? provision of the Evidence Act (s68) depending on how the court defined ?journalist?; but if that didn?t work they might also be protected under the ?Overriding discretion as to confidential information? provision (s69) which is not confined to journalists.?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:55:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><q>does Stuff fall into this category?</p><p>    the generation and/or aggregation</q></p><p>Bear in mind that although Stuff's owners are customers of the company I work for, and most of my day job is doing technical things for Stuff, I do not and cannot speak on their behalf. However, I think the?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I see little point regulating the news media. (whom I understand to be any publication which generates revenue and provides a narrative of current events)</q></p><p>When <em>North &amp; South</em>'s editor refused to acknowledge that its 'Asian Angst' story was biased and hugely wrong in fact, it was the magazine's membership of?</p>
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						<p>Thank you heaps, all good stuff ;-) I wonder also if a blog simply provides links to say, Stuff articles with no corresponding <q> information and opinion of current value"</q> it falls outside the definition of being a news media publisher?<br />The Standard and Kiwiblog must be defined as news media?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:13:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder if all this is leading to the need to police KB and The Standard as far as the Electoral Commission is concerned?</q></p><p>And on that note ...</p><p><q> <strong>Referral of alleged breaches of the Broadcasting Act 1989 and Electoral Act 1993</strong></p><p>On 27 February 2012, the Electoral Commission referred?</q></p>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Very indeed. Mr Key as well no doubt (Radio Live DJ spot). For me the issue as to whether social media are indeed news publishers, should be defined. As well as the need to define the term journalist working for news media, or indeed contractor (Mr Key again, teapot tapes),?
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				<title>Matt Scheurich</title>
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						It was about 5 months after I finally found the Press Council complaints form (<a href="http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complain.php)" target="_blank">http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complain.php)</a> and I also wasn't confident my complaints were sound enough to be carried through (plus it felt there was an added complexity regarding internet articles and the archiving of the various versions). The initial "damage"?
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						To all of the above: once again, the <a href="http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/" target="_blank">Leveson</a> and <a href="http://www.dbcde.gov.au/digital_economy/independent_media_inquiry" target="_blank">Finkelstein</a> Inquiries offer some useful pointers, and the Law Commission report could form the basis of a NZ version. Additionally, Britain has Ofcom, and Australia has the Department of Broadband, Communcations & Digital Economy. The Clark Labour Govt had a similar?
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<q>But this example does not affect the need to settle on a definition of news media for other purposes ? eg the right to stay in court when others are excluded; exemption from the Privacy Act principles; exemption from s9 of the the Fair Trading Act (which is currently confined?</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:39:15 +1300</pubDate>
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						That's something I was trying to work out a way of saying. It should be the activity, not the status that, gives somebody journalistic protections.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:52:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Here's a thought.</p><p>The Press Council and analogous bodies are justified, it seems to me, because the industry participants have disproprotionate clout in communication &mdash; they are not just media, they are *mass* media. They are self-regulating as part of an informal deal with the public that in curbing their?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:59:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>That wasn?t all that simple, so perhaps an example:</p><p>in the definition of agency in s 2 of the Privacy Act 1993, I would change paragraph (xiii) from the current:</p><p><q> <strong>agency</strong> means any person or body of persons, whether corporate or unincorporate, ? but ? does not include?<br />?<br />(xiii)?</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:00:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Final (?) summation:</p><p>__What the news media do in a democracy is special and worthy of protection. This protection arises because of what they do, not who they are. When others do the same things, they are just as worthy of protection, and that protection is just as important to?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:52:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>What about pure aggregators? Eg, suppose I write a program to more or less automatically aggregate news stories, and publish fair use snippets and links, or perhaps I syndicate stories under licences. </q><br />Having to divulge your source as an aggregator could never be a problem because you are revealing previously?</p>
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				<title>jasonbrown.avaiki</title>
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						<p>...</p><p><q>this example does not affect the need to settle on a definition of news media for other purposes ? eg the right to stay in court when others are excluded; exemption from the Privacy Act principles; exemption from s9 of the the Fair Trading Act (which is currently confined?</q></p>
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						<p>Matt, as one of the print media reporters who emailed you asking if you would talk to me, I have to say, it wasn?t an easy email to write.</p><p>However. </p><p>Here?s the thing. On the one hand you say you saw your story ?twisted through various forms of fiction? and?</p>
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				<title>HamishFraser</title>
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						<p>Sensationalism combined with brevity is not news &ndash; it's advertising. <br />Classic current example is the current headlines "$220,000 a month living expenses" re the Dotcom story. Tvnz.co.nz right now is running a poll "What do you think about Dotcom's claims for $220,000 a month living expenses?". </p><p>This isn't about news?</p>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						My concern about much of the media I consume today is the selective nature of much of the content. In many cities / towns we have one newspaper and across New Zealand two groups own virtually all of them. While many people do now seek out information online, many more?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Good morning.</p><p>Just to note that there's <a href="http://publicaddress.net/speaker/media-regulation-2/" target="_blank">a new and more detailed post from the Law Commission</a>, titled 'Who guards the guardians?', about what a new media regulator could look like and how it might act.</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Classic current example is the current headlines ?$220,000 a month living expenses? re the Dotcom story.</q></p><p>Slightly off topic but those numbers are rubbish, they are apparently the total amount requested including one-offs  to cover back payments to staff and other expenses. The ongoing amount is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10788914 " target="_blank">much less</a>. <q>William Akel,?</q></p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						As someone who had a complaint to the press council upheld, I suggest that making such a complaint is a waste of time. It's right up there with reporting jaywalking to the police. The actual recourse available is negligible until the behaviour is so egregious as to justify court action.?
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						As a (former) indymedia reporter I am watching the definitions with interest. My experience on the ground is that looking the part and acting reasonably will get you into a lot of "media only" events. The legal protections available to media should, I think, be extended to anyone performing the?
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				<title>Matt Scheurich</title>
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						<p>Hi Imogen,</p><p>I have run through various scenarios through my head as to how I could have seen news events followed, alas, my lack of media training, chemically and emotionally affected behaviors and memories, etc. probably also contributed to the mess of news reporting I currently am in disagreement with.?</p>
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				<title>Anne Dillon</title>
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						My concern is the obvious lack of impartiality shown by the television media when reporting on a story. While the media are instrumental in deciding what we think about, it is not their role to determine how we think about it. If the language used was less emotive it would?
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				<title>Scott Chris</title>
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						<p>>>"Let?s say a newspaper publishes something wrong and harmful about you: are you going to mount a defamation action?"</p><p>Yes I take your point although in an ideal world the government would be compelled to arbitrate in such matters if the harm is deemed significant enough. </p><p>>>"Or perhaps a news?</p>
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				<title>Rob Macnab</title>
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						<p>The online advertisement that lead me to this blog is a bit misleading...  </p><p>It states "Online discussion &ndash; Who needs the news media? &ndash; join the debate.."</p><p>I see from this page that the current discussion isn't about needing the media at all, and assumes I've read the DD, which?</p>
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				<title>Rob Macnab</title>
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						<p>What I'm getting at is whether much needs to be added to who or what a news media provider is anyway.</p><p>The current law suggests to me that those in the news media field, collect the news and publish the news.</p><p>And obviously, per above, the news provider is in?</p>
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						The four "defining characteristics of the new media" you set out above, are not fulfilled by corporate-controlled mainstream media. These criteria will only be met by corporate-controlled media when they align with the profit-motivated interests of the business elite that run the show. Legislation will not ensure that readers or?
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				<title>Lea Barker</title>
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						Back in 2005, I signed up to be a citizen journalist on a San Francisco Bay Area community news website called Bayosphere, which was started by a former San Jose Mercury News journalist. After a very short life, Bayosphere was locked off from the World Wide Web, surviving only as?
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				<title>Alan Wilkinson</title>
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						<p>The issue is extremely badly posed.  It is not "who are you" but "what are you doing".  If you are publishing or reporting something factual that is not at the time public knowledge and making it public knowledge you are publishing news.</p><p>I see no reason to make distinctions as?</p>
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				<title>Alan Wilkinson</title>
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						On looking back I see my above comment is a fairly common theme.  I would just repeat my earlier note that the proper response to misinformation is more information &ndash; namely the right to reply and correct with equal prominence, promptness and accessibility as the original.  This should be a?
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						There once was a code of ethics for journalists when there was a functioning NZ Journalists' Union. But there  never has been a code of ethics for owners or operators of media outlets.
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						<p><q>There once was a code of ethics for journalists when there was a functioning NZ Journalists? Union. But there never has been a code of ethics for owners or operators of media outlets.</q></p><p>The EPMU inherited the Journalists? Union role upon merging, but currently its role in the Press Council?</p>
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						It's OK our press like our banks may be foreign owned, but I am sure they are owned by nice responsible people...cue Winston.
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						<q>the Council itself was formed in 1972</q>The Press Council is in urgent need of a new set of dentures.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						Wisdom teeth? :)
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						Fangks for that.
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&amp;objectid=10790986" target="_blank">John Roughan senses the barbarians are at the gate</a>, in the wake of Leveson and Finkelstein. Translation: he laments the curtain call of the Murdoch Age.
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>And this... <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10791115 " target="_blank"> Fire rips through Kaitaia dryboard mill</a> There is no such place, it is the Kaitaia TRI-Board mill FFS. How hard is it to check these things?.<br />The story came from NZPA, I have dropped them a missive by the new fangled medium of Vmail. (that is what?</p>
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						<p><q> NZPA</q></p><p>no longer exist</p>
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						Roughan is on the Press Council? That's hardly reassuring.
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						<p>...'He is a Muslim, in a so-called Christian country, and that makes me uncomfortable'."<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/6556650/Backlash-over-Deakers-Sonny-Bill-comment" target="_blank">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/6556650/Backlash-over-Deakers-Sonny-Bill-comment</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:55:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>NZPAno longer exist</q></p><p>APNZ</p><p>Now that... was embarrassing.<br />But at least they did exist... right?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:46:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Deakers-Sonny-Bill-comment</q></p><p>Now that really was embarrassing. If there is room for this clown on NZ TV then why do we have to lose TVNZ7?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:01:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						I was back in NZ a week or so back and was stunned to realise some of my family listen to Deaker... how's he still on the air? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, shock-jocks are omnipresent on Australian radio too (and are probably worse, forget Alan Jones, John Laws?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:06:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>merc</title>
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						Because that is exactly the TV they want for us.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:12:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Will de Cleene</title>
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						<q>why on Earth can't I take notes while sitting in the back of a court? Or while seated in the public gallery of the House of Representatives? Why should these things be limited to any class of persons at the whim of a Judge or the Speaker? It is difficult?</q>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>DeepRed</title>
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						<p>This should have happened from the onset.</p><p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&amp;objectid=10791828" target="_blank">Regulator probes Sky &ndash; TVNZ Igloo venture</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:54:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Despite Mr Slater being involved in the formation of this policy &ndash; and his prior conviction &ndash; he seems unrepentant about his online handling of <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10791918" target="_blank">private information</a>. </p><p>It would be a useful test for any new regime to consider specifically how it would deal with people like him who believe the?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:45:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>It would be a useful test for any new regime to consider specifically how it would deal with people like him</q></p><p>I say bury him up to his neck on a rugby field and wait for kick off.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:32:22 +1300</pubDate>
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