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Speaker: Damien Hirst: the dollars and sense?

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  • merc,

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    I feel awkward over this largely because I would not wish to be seen as an apologist for Hirst any more than I would for Jack Vettriano.

    Consequently;

    I’m sure Thomson approves of this because it involves paint….
    This is a better argument than I have ever read by Thomson in so far as it makes clear that you either accept Duchamp’s position or you don’t. The bit about Childish and Emin is just odd though.

    Above all I find Thomson irritating because he seems to be a good deal better at being disagreeable than he is at being an artist. The argument here is one of weak witted equivalence and polemic. Adopting such a position completely, would eliminate an awful lot of art and somehow magically protect the business of painting. Painting dare I say it, stuck in a time before impressionism when I suspect there was little distinction between artists and favoured craftsmen. I am honest about my struggles to grasp the difference between Art and Craft as well as the difference between homage, inspiration and plagiarism. I don’t make a career or cause of it though.

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • merc, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    I recommend going to Gordon Harris, buying a not too cheap canvas, M grade are good, selecting a size that meets your approval, buy a single brush that you like the feel of, and a student basic acrylic paint colour set that includes white. All up probably round 100.00.
    Prop the canvas up on a table or bench, have some water nearby and go at it.
    Really, I mean it, answers will appear...then more questions ;-)

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    I'll add them to the plaster, chicken-wire and airbrushes at the back of the garage ;-)

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    I quite agree that the best response to art is making your own. :-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3468 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    Dont hesitate to throw in sand - use the acrylic impasto and there's no need for glue...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    Or you could do like the Chinese calligraphers who practise with water on pavement, never haunted by the spectre of previous failures.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to chris,

    Ooo, I like that!

    (There is this weird & precious idea that every scrap & scribble of an artist (writer/whatever) is valuable. Aint so. I regularly burn stuff, drawn/written, because it's of no moment to anyone but me - and the moment has gone-

    the exception is my diaries: that is because they have a lot of really good recipes in them-)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    This may only serve to fuel the flames. I heard someone discussing this over the past week, and got the impression it was recent, but it was an Art Award in 2009.

    Dane Mitchell wrote instructions from Berlin, telling the gallery staff to tip the contents of the rubbish bins containing packing material from the other artists onto the gallery floor.

    He won 15,000 dollars.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2144 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to Islander,

    Aint so. I regularly burn stuff, drawn/written, because it’s of no moment to anyone but me

    Yes, it's so liberating, I was reminded of the calligraphers by your mention of sand, which is another wonderfully guilt-free canvas.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to chris,

    We didnt have truly portable cameras (for kids, I mean) but I was truly fascinated
    by a bloke at the boulder beach, Moeraki, early 1950s,who v. swiftly drew silhouettes of the
    boulders he saw. You looked from sand to boulders to sea- and the sea was coming in-
    since then, I've written stuff in sand, built little 'temporary alters/altars for the wind/songs to swing round', made grief fires on the low tidal sand & cried & chanted my grief out - all for the sea to take away, and the sand never to remember-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    What a wonderful set of comments, stoked!

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Is. beautiful.

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • chris, in reply to JacksonP,

    Attachment

    ^I initially pictured something like this^...but that, an abomination, 15,000 flames rapturously fueled!

    中国 • Since Jan 2010 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Take that, Hirst.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    link’s broken, Sacha. But here it is. V funny, thanks :-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3468 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sacha,

    I rather wondered if Reuben might have been the same person who offered a kiwi for sale on TradeMe a few years back. When he offered to recapture the fly he'd smuggled into Hirst's show I was reminded of how when people asked about the kiwi's present whereabouts they were told that it was loose in the backyard that bordered the suburban Wellington bush, but not to worry because it was "easy to catch".

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3559 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    If the inspirational Reuben Bonner is coming back to NZ maybe he could do an 'outsider art' show for TVNZ7, oh hang on....

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5062 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    Had to post this.

    And remember folks rust never sleeps.

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to 81stcolumn,

    And remember folks rust never sleeps.

    It was designed to change with the forces that change the land - cool!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

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