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  • JacksonP, in reply to Petra Jane,

    One of the photos turned out to be from a French artist's book and wasn't even of the 'supermoon'. I wonder how much Herald staff time was wasted sorting out the mess.

    Great Petra. I was hoping you would weigh in. It got to the stage where I kind of thought 'sort your shit out!', and then briefly 'shame they removed them' to finally 'well, they obviously have no intention of engaging, so why should I give up my unpaid time and energy banging my head against that particular wall?'

    I'm glad I sent a shot across the bow, but there was a reason I chose the title of this post.

    The 'moon', as it turns out, is just as inaccessible and inscrutable as ever, no matter how much closer it might seem.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Petra Jane,

    On Monday I did a quick straw poll of friends who work as journalists, and none of their workplaces had a policy about using images from social media, and none of them could recall covering the topic in the Grad Dip Journalism.

    And THIS is the problem.

    I make mention of the lack of an ethical and professional framework around the use of social media content in nearly every talk I give on this area, including one to Annie Goldson's students last month. It never seems to improve.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    And THIS is the problem.

    I actually asked them, admittedly via open twitter, but reasonably nicely, what the Herald policy was on using photos off social media.

    Still waiting.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to JacksonP,

    I actually asked them, admittedly via open twitter, but reasonably nicely, what the Herald policy was on using photos off social media.

    It's not just photos, it's the ethics of delving into kids' profiles. I wrote about the NZ media's disgraceful speculation around the disappearance of Marie Davis in 2008.

    Things were different in the case of another tragic loss of a young life – that of Christ-church 15-year-old Marie Davis. TV news bulletins and newspapers treated Bebo – where Marie clearly had a lively presence – as fodder for speculation.

    The majority latched on to a similarity between the name of one of her profiles, “towards darkness”, and Towards Darkness, a new film about the kidnapping of a young photographer in Colombia. What were they implying? A staged disappearance? At any rate, none of them went so far as to check whether the film had ever screened here. It hadn’t – indeed, at the time of Marie’s disappearance, it had had exactly five cinematic screenings, all in the United States. She couldn’t have seen it.

    The Sunday Star-Times went further, devoting half its front page to an ominous story about Bebo on the basis of a single comment from Marie’s mother.

    Sadly, it was discovered that Marie Davis had been raped and murdered by a man known to the family. No one ever said sorry for abusing the contents of her Bebo page to suggest she'd staged her disappearance.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Efimoff,

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    The below photo of mine was used by many NZ media organisations including tvnz website, nz herald etc for their articles on Auckland port strikes… they've got that photo from the Auckland's wikipedia page but almost no one mentioned my authorship :( I just didn't know what to do

    Wellington • Since Dec 2011 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Alex Efimoff,

    I just didn't know what to do

    Send them all an invoice. Seriously, if it's been on there long enough, and has ended up in print, you're entitled to be paid. The same is true for online of course, but they can then easily remove it, and claim it was a mistake.

    It has worked for others I know. Well, one other. Worth a crack?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    Just as a matter of interest, does everyone know about the Google Image search function that allows you to 'Find similar'? It was a recently new discovery to me, thank to Petra and Jonathan.

    If you click on the camera icon under image search, and enter one of your photos, Google will search via features and meta tags for similar images.

    It can become a bit obsessive. For example, I'm wondering whether to send a cease and desist to some guy called Alex (no relation to our friend here) on Facebook who is using my clouds photo as his cover shot.

    The cheek of it!!!

    Although he isn't profiting from it, so I'll probably let it go, just this one time.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Alex Efimoff,

    The below photo of mine was used by many NZ media organisations including tvnz website, nz herald etc for their articles on Auckland port strikes… they’ve got that photo from the Auckland’s wikipedia page but almost no one mentioned my authorship :( I just didn’t know what to do

    To be fair, Alex, you did make it hard for them to acknowledge your authorship by not, so far as I can see, letting anyone know your real name. So the only condition they needed to meet under the stated licence -- attribution -- was arguably not possible.

    In saying this, I'm assuming that you are either the Partyzane listed as author, or gave that user permission. Correct? If not, the problem is actually at Wikipedia, not the media organisations.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to JacksonP,

    Send them all an invoice. Seriously, if it’s been on there long enough, and has ended up in print, you’re entitled to be paid.

    Not under the stated CC licence. That only requires attribution.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Alex Efimoff,

    Does Wikipedia's policy of anonymous comtributions preclude signing pictures, like with an overlay or watermark plainly visible near the edge of field? Assuming you'd been able to do so, if an unauthorised end user had cropped your signature, that would seem to be clear proof of underhand intent

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3291 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Not under the stated CC licence. That only requires attribution.

    I hadn't looked at the Wikipedia page.

    But I found it in several places using the Google image search unattributed. [Redacted]

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Russell Brown,

    To be fair, Alex, you did make it hard for them to acknowledge your authorship by not, so far as I can see, letting anyone know your real name. So the only condition they needed to meet under the stated licence -- attribution -- was arguably not possible.

    To be fairer, Russ, if you click on that username it takes you to the profile of partyzane which reads:
    Alexander Efimov (partyzane). DOB 5 October, 1978. Student, photographer. New Zealand

    It's not rocket surgery...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 1701 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I make mention of the lack of an ethical and professional framework around the use of social media content in nearly every talk I give on this area, including one to Annie Goldson’s students last month. It never seems to improve.

    Wow. It's not like social media are a brand new thing.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3298 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to nzlemming,

    To be fairer, Russ, if you click on that username it takes you to the profile of partyzane

    Duh. I thought I had and got a null result. Parallax error, clearly.

    I happily take back the part about it being hard to attribute. But it still might make things easier uploading under a real-name username, no?

    Edit: Phew I'm not going mad. I clicked on the Partyzane link in the comments for the image, which gives this message:

    Wikipedia does not have a user page with this exact name. In general, this page should be created and edited by User:Partyzane. If in doubt, please verify that "Partyzane" exists.

    Hence my confusion.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Petra Jane, in reply to Alex Efimoff,

    Cases like this one really make me despair - according to Wikipedia, you've licensed the photo under a CC-BY Creative Commons license. They don't have to pay or get explicit permission from the photographer of something licensed CC-BY, they only have to acknowledge who took the photo, and somehow that's still too hard for them to manage?

    Mount Eden • Since Jan 2007 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Do papers no longer pay freelance photographers?

    Would Peter Parker have to turn to a life of crime if he couldn't sell his Spiderman pics to The Daily Bugle?

    Recently I did a collaged cover for an e-book for a friend, who diligently sought out the original pulp artists (or their estates) for their approval, one was completely happy about their element's use, another spat the dummy - fair enough, we didn't use that bit...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 4185 posts Report Reply

  • Petra Jane, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Not under the stated CC licence. That only requires attribution.

    Ah, but a Creative Commons license doesn't preclude a photographer negotiating other licenses for organisations to use the same photograph under different conditions.

    I have several photos on Flickr under an Attribution-Non Commercial license. I can (and sometimes do) still negotiate an entirely separate license for a specific magazine or commercial website to use one of those photos. Creative Commons doesn't replace copyright or any other rights held by the author, it just says "here's the boilerplate license for anyone who wants to republish or reuse this work, if you want to use this work under these terms then you don't have to check with me first".

    Mount Eden • Since Jan 2007 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Petra Jane,

    Creative Commons doesn’t replace copyright or any other rights held by the author, it just says “here’s the boilerplate license for anyone who wants to republish or reuse this work, if you want to use this work under these terms then you don’t have to check with me first”.

    Yeah, but it’s not an NC licence. Just attribution. So those are the terms on which Alex has released the image. News media can't be faulted for using the image without seeking permission, just for not attributing.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Petra Jane, in reply to Russell Brown,

    By using a CC-BY image without attributing it to Alex, those organisations aren't covered by the license. According to the Creative Commons FAQ:

    A CC license terminates automatically upon a violation of its conditions. For example, if a user of a work distributed under a Creative Commons license fails to attribute the creator as required, then the user no longer has the right to continue using the work and may be liable for copyright infringement. The license terminates with respect to the user who violated the license, but it remains in effect for all other users so long as they are in compliance.

    If you adopt a Creative Commons license and a user violates the license conditions, you have options for addressing the situation, from contacting the person and asking them to rectify the situation to consulting a lawyer to act on your behalf.

    Of course, I don't expect most NZ journalists have a very clear understanding of how Creative Commons works. Again, education is the answer.

    Mount Eden • Since Jan 2007 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Petra Jane,

    By using a CC-BY image without attributing it to Alex, those organisations aren’t covered by the license. According to the Creative Commons FAQ:

    Ah, I see what you mean now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Just out of interest, who here has urged a Lessig-liberal approach to non-commercial copyright infringement (around, say, TV shows) and/or said something nice about Kim Dotcom?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Just out of interest,

    I believe that has been my stance since before the infamous copyright thread.
    And Kim Dotcom is fine by me, certainly more likeable than most with his wealth which, by the way, wasn't "earned" by shitting on the workers.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4437 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Petra Jane,

    Again, education is the answer.

    and enforcement.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15706 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Sacha,

    and enforcement

    and deciding who the enforcers should be.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2067 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    And Kim Dotcom is fine by me, certainly more likeable than most with his wealth which, by the way, wasn’t “earned” by shitting on the workers.

    But he did copy other people's creative works and enrich himself from them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 17918 posts Report Reply

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