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  • Simon Grigg,

    Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency?

    what about those unsolved crimes / what about those hitchhikers/ I bet he did those too

    (c) Don McGlashan /Richard Von Sturmer ...Thomas is Guilty, 1981.

    Don knew....

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3209 posts Report Reply

  • Malcolm,

    Russell,

    Yesterday, a man of Lebanese descent was on morning report. He had just had the Privy Council declare a substantial miscarriage of Justice. This man declared that he knew the Dunedin CIB had a culture of extreme sexual depravity in the past, and that he personally knew of a policewoman who was raped and sodomised.

    If I search on "Lebanese" in the yellow pages, I get 4 hits. If I search on "Chinese", I get 423 hits. If I search on "Vietnamese" I get 72 hits. It just happened to be a Lebanese restaurant ....

    Don't get me wrong. I think Wishhart is a distasteful religioius maniac. I also think Labour have nothing to do with the police scandals, and have in the past done nothing wrong and everything right on this issue.

    But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. All the signs, including statements from the Police Commissioner, indicate there was something sick in the Dunedin CIB. That it why it has been referred to the Police Complaints Authority.

    Stephen - thank you for clarifying your comments. I appreciate that. I'm not trying to get at you with this post. Given the statistics I quote above I hope that you see it was reasonable of me to doubt the conincidence. All I am trying to do is indicate to Russell that my comment was, in fact, made in good faith.

    Since Apr 2007 • 69 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    My writing can tend to be bit ambiguous at times. I put that down to inexperience. As I said before we are are all steering into lumps of electronics. It hardly surprises me that the wires get crossed from time to time.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2777 posts Report Reply

  • Malcolm,

    "steering into lumps of electronics"

    Hmmn, "steering" or "staring"? Actually, both seem equally good descriptions. At least in my case.

    Since Apr 2007 • 69 posts Report Reply

  • Felix Marwick,

    . If anyone wants to bring any actual evidence that the National Party is financing or covertly helping Investigate's brand of gutter filth, put it on the table. I wouldn't want to support an organisation like that in any way - financial, with my time and labour, or (most importantly) at the ballot box. All's fair in love and war - but not politics.

    For what it's worth I may be able to help out here. The silence from National (and every other political party bar Labour) can solely be attributed to the fact they don't want to touch Wishart's story with a bargepole.

    The only comment that's been made was by Simon Power and it was to the effect he hoped the matter didn't furter erode public confidence in the police - and that was restricted solely to Commissioner Broad's position regarding the film (or should that be chick flick?).

    Basically the party line is they don't want to be involved. And fair enough too as politically it'd do them more harm than good.

    National has reason to be wary of Wishart. They've been on the receiving end of his stories before and no doubt expect to be again if, or when, they form a Government. So they've got absolutely no reason or desire to be developing a relationship with him.

    As for the comments/insinuations that senior Labour Party members have been making regarding the Exclusive Brethren well that you can lay at the media's door. Once Idour's involvement was confirmed it was a question that had to be asked. It was kind of like the elephant in the room scenario - everyone knows its there but doesn't want to acknowledge it.

    The Exclusive Brethren, through their spokesman Tony McCorkell, disavow any involvement and say they cut their ties with Idour some time ago.

    Hopefully this story is now over.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 198 posts Report Reply

  • James Green,

    Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency? SNIP As others have said, why did Robin - apparently wanting David to stay/live - leave behind evidence implicating David but not himself?

    Haha. That's easy. What's the only thing better than killing someone? Leaving them behind to face a mulitple murder rap [/conspiracy]

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 691 posts Report Reply

  • James Green,

    If I search on "Lebanese" in the yellow pages, I get 4 hits. If I search on "Chinese", I get 423 hits. If I search on "Vietnamese" I get 72 hits. It just happened to be a Lebanese restaurant ....

    Uh yeah. None of the Lebanese restaurants of my acquaintance have Lebanese in the title. Interestingly, neither do any of my local Italian restaurants. Or in fact the Chinese restaurants.
    Gasp!! Could it be that the reason why Lebanese doesn't get many hits in the yellow pages is not because they don't run restaurants, but because they don't have a healing system called Lebanese Medicine?
    But, hey, just while you're making this into a Lebanese conspiracy, perhaps you could point out that Dunedin has a prominent Lebanese community, and that they are involved in the stadium debate. And wait, Joe Karam played rugby.
    If I ever give up my day job, there might be a career for me in 'investigative' journalism.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 691 posts Report Reply

  • Riddley Walker,

    Finn: thanks for the informative breakdown of the likely costs of printing.

    I wouldn't want to support an organisation like that in any way

    and with that, thanks Malcolm for the list of companies to lobby and boycott. Disgusted by Investishite? Then get serious and let these advertisers know it.

    AKL • Since Feb 2007 • 890 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    well, i've never clapped eyes on Investigate magazine in my life, so just imagining what it looks like is pretty creepy.

    But that list of advertisers is an eye-opener. What are these companies thinking? To be directly funding this muck is pretty sad indeed. As the pink ginnea pig said, a bit of letter-writing might not be a bad idea...

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 635 posts Report Reply

  • Nobody Important,

    you're making this into a Lebanese conspiracy

    No. I don't think he was. He was saying he was in a Lebanese restaurant and they had a copy of Investigate for diners to read. He thought it odd that a magaizne implying a Middle Eastern terrorist threat would be available in a Lebanese restaurant.

    What's the only thing better than killing someone? Leaving them behind to face a mulitple murder rap

    Oh, so Dad was that derranged was he? Did he have a maniacal laugh, like The Riddler on Batman?

    A not guilty verdict is not innocence, as much as some of us would like it to be.

    True. Talkback is full of callers who say that being found 'Not Guilty' doesn't mean you didn't do it, just that it couldn't be proved you did it. These are usually the same people who think the Police wouldn't charge somebody unless they'd done something.
    My original point was that many ppl feel Bain now deserves to be compensated for his 12+ years in prison. I do too (if he's not guilty), but it would be wrong to compensate him without having another trial to establish whether he was guilty or not guilty. If he is found not guilty then clearly it was wrong to incarcerate him, so he should be compensated for his wrongful incarceration. At which time someone will argue that the Justice system ran its course and did its job and he shouldn't be compensated because there was no maleficience.

    thanks Malcolm for the list of companies to lobby and boycott. Disgusted by Investishite? Then get serious and let these advertisers know it.

    Yeah, a tactic very popular with Right Wing Fundamentalists in the US. And if that doesn't work why don't we picket the outlets that sell it. And if that doesn't work why don't we all put on red balaclavas and bum-rush the magazine racks. And if that doesn't work why don't we all put on red balaclavas and bum-rush Ian Wishart and tie him to a tree and tickle him till he cries? [Yes, I'm being sarcastic, lest the rightwingnuts accuse me of inciting something]

    expat • Since Mar 2007 • 319 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    i just thought the mag in a lebanese restaurant was a delightful irony.

    would have been funnier if it had a prominent pro-zionist article.

    why? because it would suggest that the "reread" stats are bullshit.

    and..

    why don't we all put on red balaclavas and bum-rush Ian Wishart and tie him to a tree and tickle him till he cries?

    umm, if you're suggesting a posse?

    i'm in. again, for the laughs.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Anne M,

    Why kill the whole family but spare David? What did he do to deserve leniency?

    Maybe whoever did it (assuming it wasn't David - Robin, passing psychotic, disgruntled former client/pupil) didn't put a whole lot of planning into the initial decision to go and kill them and forgot that one person would be out? Are most mass-murder rampages carefully planned?

    Since Nov 2006 • 101 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    Here's an interesting coincidence....Idour is a Lebanese name. Please note, Malcolm, that I am not seeking to impugne Lebanese, but to impart information.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • dad4justice,

    Hell bells Russell the latest statement posted on Wish’s blog is yet another police terrorised lady and more than disturbing reading, death threats by old Milton and his bullyboy thugs. I suppose we are lucky for investigate mag and Ian Wishart exposing all this corruption, as the exposure makes a mob movie tame in comparison. I suggest the extortion from sinister pigs is more of a greater concern than a bunch of loud , obnoxious and pissed up bent cops copulating with Mrs Palmer while watch a mental retard deal to a chicken .

    The real issue is this widespread corruption within our judiciary and police so entrenched it cannot ever be effectively dealt with? Every day it seems to be getting worse but the politicians tell us we live in utopia? No doubt your tolerance will run out as thats how you deal with a problem , buts thats your prerogative , some opinions hurt the cause -eh bro ? Yeah right !

    Since Jan 2007 • 50 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    You still here, dad? Did you brag on Wishart's blog about posting this on here?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • dad4justice,

    No I did not John Boy Farrell, but who are you , a lad with a lot to say ?
    I can't help that I have a strong social conscience who goes to bat for the underdog , I don't mean to cause friction ,however some times it is unaviodable .
    Remember that it was only yesterday that I was called Stan Graham , so give me a chance to reload at the ready . Good bye and do have a good day .

    Since Jan 2007 • 50 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    Are most mass-murder rampages carefully planned?

    che <--- has watched csi. the answer to you question is, "only if they're professional hits. by a police detective for example..."

    che <--- is attempting to match d4j in the conspiracy steaks.

    che <--- also likes his steaks blue. notably, the colour of the film shown by idour at the party in question.

    COINCIDENCE?! perhaps not...

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    can't help that I have a strong social conscience who goes to bat for the underdog

    you mean, underdogs like... children?

    who you're happy to see beaten with riding crops and bits of 2x4?

    good to see that strong social conscience in play there dads.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    An interesting view you have of the world, dad....a sort of inverse elitism. Those, like you, with the least to say, can use the most words to say it?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • dad4justice,

    Che Tibby - the smacking saga is a grey area smoke screen that will add to judicial corruption from cops and cyfs . Its time to remove your head from the sand . High Court Justice Hansen said the LAW needs a radical RETHINK , however the government is more than happy to add smacking to the endless list of tools used in the adversarial legal system ?

    Its does not make sense to me ?

    Since Jan 2007 • 50 posts Report Reply

  • Riddley Walker,

    inverse elitism = redneck populism

    (see Truth, Sunday News, Investigate) of course that kind of populism actually only pretends to be anti-elitist though.
    you don't see them attacking those with serious entrenched structural power (who are usually their owners). the targets are invariably leftist pinkos who stick up for the rights of women, children, non-heteros, that sort of thing.

    AKL • Since Feb 2007 • 890 posts Report Reply

  • Don Christie,

    Posted at 8:16AM on 16 May 07

    Good bye and do have a good day .

    24 hours in my days, D4J, at least keep your word will you?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1616 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    I wonder who Wishart's "owner" is, Riddley?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    Dad's posts, especially in other places, do tend to be the distilled essence of the turgid rubbish posted on rightwing blogs. Those cliches flow from his fingers.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Off the subject of dad4justice for a moment...

    Who'd have thought Bain would age to look like Dick Hubbard?

    http://kiwiherald.blogspot.com/2007/05/dick-hubbard-granted-bail.html

    Since Nov 2006 • 2074 posts Report Reply

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