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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><em>Possible options for the commanders include retaliation in kind, coming under the command of the US, if it exists, and "go to Australia". New Zealand appears to be missing out badly on the post-apocalyptic tourism market</em></p><p>Even if they've disposed of their missiles by firing them at Moscow, the Trident?</p>
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				<title>Duncan McKenzie</title>
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						<p>Just love the name of the UK chief of defence staff<br />Sir Jock Stirrup.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:39:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>bFM's Jose Barbosa scored an interview with Joss Whedon</p></blockquote><p>Jose was so happy and nervous all at the same time, bless him. It was all he talked about all weekend.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:49:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I watched part one of Andrew Rawnsley's The Rise and Fall of Tony Blair last night</p></blockquote><p>Rawnsley has spent 10 years predicting the implosion of the Blair/Brown relationship. It never happened. I sure it was "robust", but it never fell apart in the way he kept predicting. I think this?</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Yep &ndash; Rich beat me to it. British subs aren't allowed in New Zealand waters.</p><p>As for stockpiling BZP &ndash; people should be warned that that might lead to consequences &ndash; anyone with even a slightly large stockpile who is then caught might not face just possession charges, but possession?</p>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						Hey people...I'm off to Singapore for 2 weeks soon. Where's the best place to eat...cheapish?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:22:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>(a presumption of supply will kick in at 100 tablets).</p></blockquote><p>great, free legal advice. i'll stick to around 90.</p><p>There's something oddly homely about a hand written nuclear letter, much like how the change of power is represented by walking in and out of a compatively modest terrace house.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:27:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p><em>Hey people...I'm off to Singapore for 2 weeks soon. Where's the best place to eat...cheapish?</em></p><p>McDonalds. BurgerKing, KFC, Starbucks, ...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hey people...I'm off to Singapore for 2 weeks soon. Where's the best place to eat...cheapish?</p></blockquote><p>Everywhere. Hawker centres, you'll feed yourself for $3. Food halls, up to $6.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:36:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>As for stockpiling BZP &ndash; people should be warned that that might lead to consequences &ndash; anyone with even a slightly large stockpile who is then caught might not face just possession charges, but possession with intent to supply (a presumption of supply will kick in at 100 tablets).</p></blockquote><p>Anderton?</p>
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						<p>And people wonder why there is a problem with P in New Zealand.</p><p><a href="http://economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9414607" target="_blank">|Worldwide Street Prices of Cocaine</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:00:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						<p>Given his family history with drugs it isn't surprising that Anderton reacts this way, but why a senior politico is allowed to foist his personal morality on the rest of the country al because of what happened to one of his kids is really stupid.</p><p>And of course, the ban?</p>
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						Have TV3 killed the link to "The dangers of poppy seeds" <a href="http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/HealthNews/tabid/191/articleID/28423/Default.aspx" target="_blank">video</a>? Unlike other vids, it just links to the homepage at present.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:12:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						<p>Oh, and..</p><p>I in yr blog leavin u commentz</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:26:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Given his family history with drugs it isn't surprising that Anderton reacts this way, but why a senior politico is allowed to foist his personal morality on the rest of the country al because of what happened to one of his kids is really stupid.</p></blockquote><p>As odd as it feels,?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Looks like I won't have time to update our own Public Address Radio podcast until the weekend, but we have a good show in the can for tomorrow</p></blockquote><p>*cough* And while we're in whorish self-promotion mode, I'm also pareodying, satirising and denigrating the Parliamentary Standing Orders Committee while I still?</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>*cough* And while we're in whorish self-promotion mode, I'm also pareodying, satirising and denigrating the Parliamentary Standing Orders Committee while I still can. :)</p></blockquote><p>Quite. My bad, as they say in a certain sort of American comedy.</p><blockquote><p>Once more, Mr. Anderton should be a wee bit more scrupulous when citing?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Would it be overly naive of me to ask if anyone has ever done research into why people need to get high? I'm not entirely pure, but neither have I ever relied on alcohol or drugs as a social lubricant. (unless ciggies count as one, because let's face it, when?
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>Jackie Clark: "Would it be overly naive of me to ask if anyone has ever done research into why people need to get high?"</p><p><a href="http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/bookstore/walton2002.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/bookstore/walton2002.cfm</a></p><p>click above link for summary of book that contends that we all have (to varying degrees) a biological drive to 'get high'.  I hav read?</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 00:12:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Looked like an open-and-shut case for a dose of STFU to me ...</p></blockquote><p>Well, I'm sure this sounds super-freaky, but I want to be fair to the guy too.  I cannot even  imagine what it's like for any parent to buy a child who committed suicide, and I don't blame?</p>
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				<title>james cairney</title>
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						<p>"I've talked to a few people about this, and my impression is that he does actually pay attention to evidence."</p><p>What evidence, that the stuff is bad for you? Big deal. That does not in any way justify criminalisation. Risk of harm is insufficient for imposing the criminal sanction.</p><p>I?</p>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						It may seem rather obvious but if in a situation arose that caused british nuclear powered submarine to flee to NZ on the instruction of the British PM I hardly thing a legality would really come into it. Hypothericals are fun tho!
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						__Well, I'm sure this sounds super-freaky, but I want to be fair to the guy too. I cannot even imagine what it's like for any parent to buy a child who committed suicide, and I don't blame the man for making teen self-harm a hobby horse he's ridden very hard.__?
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				<title>Ben Thomas</title>
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						<p>It has definitely been a good week to be Jim Anderton. Next targets of his regulatory purview: rock'n'roll music, and close-dancing between boys and girls.</p><p>As Craig touches on, Anderton's megaphone diplomacy on suicide epidmiology is, frankly, crap. And he ignores any evidence that doesn't fit his preconceived notions. An?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Bert:</p><p>Well, here's a few words I'd like carved into the foreheads of every politician and journalist:</p><p><strong>CORRELATION, <em>IF IT EXISTS</em>, DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION</strong></p><p>As for folks who aren't that big on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method" target="_blank">scientific method</a>, when your conclusions should be based on a well-designed hypothesis, evaluated against the collection?</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p><em>If someone's kid had been killed in a police chase then I think that would disqualify them from being Police Minister on the same grounds.</em><br />Didn't Annette King's schoolteacher daughter crash her mum's 'ministerial car' (a new Beetle!) a few years back? And they found XTC in  the car? Or?</p>
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				<title>InternationalObserver</title>
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						<p><a href="http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/89698" target="_blank">No I don't!</a></p><p>Annette King is the Minister of Police, Minister of Transport, Minister for Food Safety, and Minister of State Services.</p>
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				<title>Eleanor</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Annette King is the Minister of Police, Minister of Transport, Minister for Food Safety, and Minister of State Services.</p></blockquote><p>...and former Minister of Health, more's the pity.</p><p>Yucky, yucky, BZP. That market was surely about to implode anyway wasn't it? A close relative of mine is a doctor who was?</p>
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				<title>rodgerd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>CORRELATION, IF IT EXISTS, DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION</p></blockquote><p>Of course it bloody implies it.  It just doesn't guarantee it.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Am I the only one who has had a reasonable dose of BZP and noticed no effect whatsoever? After the absolutely disgusting taste was washed away, that is. I tried many varieties in progressively increasing doses, and they have never had any effect at all. I'm not surprised people have?
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						<p><quoteI'm surprised no one has thought of making a disgusting flavoured bottled water that they could call "Legal High Waterzzz" or something like</p></blockquote><p>I see there's a hemp flavoured drink on the market now.</p>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						I have got a stash of the good Meth's, from before it got <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0701/S00009.htm" target="_blank">banned</a>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Ben, on the up side you probably did not have any intestional worms  left which has to be good</p><p>Comparing BZP and alcohol, humans  have a long history of using booze, we know the risks and what may happen but while BZP seems to have no short term problems (actually?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think it disqualifies him from having the kind of dispassionate open mind on these matters that we're entitled to expect from a minister. If someone's kid had been killed in a police chase then I think that would disqualify them from being Police Minister on the same grounds.</p></blockquote><p>If?</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Raymond, the devil you know? Alcohol's long term effects are known, and all bad. The key difference is that the effect of banning it is also known and that was also all bad. The effect of banning BZP is unknown. I'd speculate it will be mostly bad. Except for the?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:51:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p><i>because they know what it's like for these things to happen to a family/person.</i></p><p>I don't understand this idea that because a family member has suffered something &mdash; whether it be suicide, murder, drug addiction, or some other horrible social ill &mdash; that this qualifies you as an expert in?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:48:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't understand this idea that because a family member has suffered something &mdash; whether it be suicide, murder, drug addiction, or some other horrible social ill &mdash; that this qualifies you as an expert in preventing that problem.</p></blockquote><p>Well that's not what I said. I said that, just because?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:37:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>steven crawford</title>
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						Anderson might be emotionally motivated to affect legislation. but aren't we all emotionally motivated to act. It's the actual action thats  the question.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:49:13 +1200</pubDate>
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