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  • Michael Roseingrave,

    I think I can see a new tag line: "Listen to the Dropkicks. We're not muntery."

    I like it.

    But we're not a cult. Most of the time.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2007 • 12 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    But we're not a cult. Most of the time.

    No, you're a bunch of cults.

    Boom boom!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18877 posts Report Reply

  • Bob Munro,

    (I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)

    Great Robyn. You’re well on your way. Now a few points about the breakdown, (forgive me if this is old hat ) The tackle situation is the most obvious example of this. If the ball is on the ground it is a ruck , if it is off the ground it is a maul. Now in the ruck the tackled person must release the ball and the tackler or those arriving at the ruck through ‘the gate’ obviously as you will be aware- can only play the ball if they are on their feet. The tackler must also allow the tackled person to release the ball even if at the same time the tackled person is actually trying to slow up the release until more teammates arrive. No doubt you are already excited by the potential of the new Stellenbosch rules that may come in 2008 in which hands may not be allowed in the ruck and we will be able to revert to actual ‘rucking’ again. Welcome to the club!

    Christchurch • Since Aug 2007 • 418 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher,

    No doubt you are already excited by the potential of the new Stellenbosch rules that may come in 2008 in which hands may not be allowed in the ruck and we will be able to revert to actual ‘rucking’ again.

    This sounds obscene. I think I will have to have a cup of peppermint tea and calm down.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1858 posts Report Reply

  • noizyboy,

    And it's really nicely edited, if I do say so.

    why, thank you.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Marcus nice link to those French Photos.
    Reminds me yesty Rosemary McLeod said Rugby was like Gay Porn.
    I think she ment Pro Rugby players are camp.

    Didn't Tonga do well! No Honiss there obviously.

    Anyone out there able to tap the Paddys on the shoulder and get them to form a Fighting Wedge when facing a challenge/haka?
    I'm told it was the trad battle formation of the Irish & would add something to the pre match size ups.

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    (I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)

    So you're saying the subliminal messages are just a little too loud?

    We'll get the indoctrination engineers right on that.

    all hail Xenu

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2081 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Welch,

    I dunno that you can even pick this nit really. 'Indigenous' usually refers to people who are the original inhabitants eg. Maori in NZ and for instance Zulu in South Africa. I think the Dropkicks have gone for a less loaded word.

    i'll give you an inch, but that's all. you're right that "indigenous" has another, loaded meaning, but "homgeneous" is just wrong. it is nonsense to say that something is 90% homogenous. then it's 10% hetereogeneous? wha'?
    can we agree on "native born"?
    (ok, i know no-one else cares about this, but this is language, people! words have meanings!)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Welch,

    of course, i meant to spell homogeneous right, as well.... not so good for my credentials as a pedant....

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Native has a pejorative meaning in NZ although positive meaning in the States.
    The use here attempts to usurp indegenous status from Maori etc.
    Just go for the political sense of citizenship, although I like heterogeneous.

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Welch,

    Well, i hate to harp, but i don't think "native-born" has a pejorative meaning in NZ. (if it does, it shouldn't--just like using the word "niggardly" shouldn't spark calls for your resignation.) calling someone (Maori) a "native" (in the sense of a "primitive") is probably offensive, but that is a different use of the word. saying someone is NZ "native-born" simply means they were born in NZ. only an Australian would find that offensive....

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Hi Jim, I don't think you are harping and it is true that words have meanings. I think there are plenty of self-styled pedant/pendants around here, I suspect we enjoy that kind of thing. I kind of am a word freak but my spelling is shocking......what can you do eh.

    I think that "native-born" might well be the most accurate term. However I agree with others on this thread that it is good not to get sucked into the "born" argument. Using a term like homogenous is a bit wack for the reasons you stated but I can see why they chose it. My money would be on "home-grown" but that could have a whole different bunch of connotations ; )

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Jim, niggardly should get you fired. I like your search for identity but it requires a wider acknowledgement than you're giving it.
    Cheers

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Apparently the Celts determined you by where the womb of your womb is buried...

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Apparently the Celts determined you by where the womb of your womb is buried...

    sweet that would have me at ‘Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipuka-kapimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuaakitanarahu’ then.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Jim, "niggardly" should get you fired.

    Michael, you're not serious, I hope.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Welch,

    Jim, niggardly should get you fired. I like your search for identity but it requires a wider acknowledgement than you're giving it.

    michael--ok, i give up. i have no idea what you're talking about....

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 43 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Would that be the celts or the cults?

    The most important thing...well, one of hte most imporant things...look, a kind of significant thing... to remember about the game of rugby is this: it's all about cheating and - this is the important bit - getting away with it.

    The founding myth of rugby is about a bloke breaking the rules - he picked up the ball and ran with it when he was supposed to kick it.

    There are all these incredibly complicated rules - see the examples cited above - which have only one aim, which is to find a way to cheat the rules the ref won't see.

    This is why it flourished in English posh schools. They are full of arcane rules, both official and unofficial. Mostly they are nonsensical - things like how many buttons you can have done up on your jacket and that sort of thing.

    The point is to prepare people for life by putting a whole lot of silly rules in front of them that they have to break if they are going to live. It teaches them how to break the rules and not get caught. A lot of our own posh schools have a similar ethos.

    This is one of the reasons - though not the only one - why rugby union boards are full of lawyers.

    I thought it was a shame they legitimised lifting in the lineout. The whole point of lineouts was their sheer dodginess.

    Re; The alt broadcasts: I think I heard a bit of the 'Dad' one in 1991. It's all a bit fuzzy now. Was always a great 'Dad's Tips' fan - still got a couple of tapes which were merchandised at the time. I regard them as sublime, unacknowledged Kiwi comedy classics.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 803 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Dad would know what to do.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Irvine,

    What would the chances be of 'Dad's Tips' being released in one of those new fangled digital formats, do you reckon?

    Auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 241 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Dad would know what to do.

    Too right. Damn good clip 'round the ear. Tolja once, tolja a hundred times!

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 803 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    If you're in Washington D.C. & throwing around a word like "niggardly" you are out of touch and have no place in power, irrespective of your intended use of the word.

    Jim I enjoyed your exploration of identity through language.
    I think there is more to it as well.
    I take it you identiufy as a native-born NZer?

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    If you're in Washington D.C. & throwing around a word like "niggardly" you are out of touch and have no place in power, irrespective of your intended use of the word.

    You should also be fired for using words like country, Whakatane, whopper, pollywog, and any other words that have a bit in them that sounds vaguely like a completely different word that might be offensive to someone.

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 841 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    niggardly

    Word meaning cheap used by smart ass racists.
    (You can't think of any other word to use? Why not?)
    Richard Roper wrote a column in defense of it's use.




    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggardly

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • The Dropkicks,

    Jim, ignore Michael. He hasn't been initiated into the cult yet.

    Robyn, thx for listening. It should take at least three casts before the programming really kicks in. You'll be quoting the offside rule to beer-gutted blokes at pub in no time.

    The rest of you. Carry on.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2007 • 20 posts Report Reply

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