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Hard News: The standing-still sweep

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  • Che Tibby,

    Auckland can be a rather pedestrian unfriendly city.

    reckon.

    having lived there i can say that auckland has a great roading system. you can go anywhere you need, and usually in a reasonably direct fashion (the airport being a highly notable exception)

    the problem is too many people using it in one-person automobiles.

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew,

    and cockers running red lights at high speed

    Even the spaniels have cars up in Auckland??

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 841 posts Report Reply

  • daleaway,

    Looked like the Aro Valley to me.

    Since Jul 2007 • 178 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    "Auckland can be a rather pedestrian unfriendly city."

    Amen. Great chunks of it seem to have been deliberately designed to kill you. Eg, the intersection of Ellerslie Main Highway and Gt South Road. Watch the old people coming back with the groceries try to cross that...

    "the number of pedestrians who cross roads and don't use the cross walks in AK city is scary"

    Well, all I can say is that there are far too many stretches where there are multiple lanes to cross and the pedestrian crossing is a long way away.

    In the end you have to design systems around human behaviour. They are far more flexible (before they're built, anyway!) than our basic inclinations (eg taking the shortest route from A to B.

    Another example: Gt South Road between the Harp of Erin and the motorway on-ramp. Every day you can see office workers from the two office parks on the motorway side risk death crossing four lanes of traffic as they try to get to the food places on the other side. Or Symonds St likewise. There are no islands to stand on in the middle and the crossings are a long, long way apart.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2962 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    The Stuff piece noted that

    More than 60 other people from around the country who have been recorded talking to, and in some cases training with, the arrested group will also be brought in for questioning.

    Some of them are known to have pulled out once they realised the level of violence planned.

    So, they're sweeping up anyone who has even talked to those involved, and in the process smearing them as terrorists. Lovely.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1641 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    __Some of them are known to have pulled out once they realised the level of violence planned.__

    So, they're sweeping up anyone who has even talked to those involved, and in the process smearing them as terrorists. Lovely.

    It'll all unfold, but if they did realise "the level of violence involved" and just kept it to themselves, then they're complicit, aren't they?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18877 posts Report Reply

  • Che Tibby,

    It'll all unfold, but if they did realise "the level of violence involved" and just kept it to themselves, then they're complicit, aren't they?

    i'd assume at least some of them are the source of the police's information.

    and sometimes people keep shut just to avoid becoming targets.

    </soprano's fan>

    the back of an envelope • Since Nov 2006 • 2026 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    Tama Iti playing Capt Mainwaring. Could be worse.

    I hope we see more of Annette Sykes on the tele. She's always entertaining in a "I'm crazy and a layer" knda way.

    Idiot, if it helps just make believe that these folks are from the EBs.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Tomorrowpeople,

    Well, all I can say is that there are far too many stretches where there are multiple lanes to cross and the pedestrian crossing is a long way away.

    I'm talking about those who choose to cross the road in the midst of traffic when there is a pedistrian crossing or cross walk 10 metres away. Being lazy is not worth getting splattered on to the pavement.

    The Craps tables at the B… • Since Nov 2006 • 188 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Sure, there are pedestrian idiots who endanger themselves. Nonetheless, Auckland is needlessly dangerous to pedestrians. Those things can both be true. And I'm not buying any argument along the lines of "nothing for you whining pedestrians until you shape up."

    What I see is that in any given stretch of AK, the needs of people from far away to transit through are not well balanced with the needs of people who live and work there.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2962 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Police press conferance video here

    Legally speaking, remaining silent does not make you a party to a crime, and there's no obligation to report anything. Morally, of course, its a different story, and I think Che is probably right on both counts - some people will have gone to the police, and others will have not wanted to say anything to the people who regard them as the scum of the earth and beat and arrest them if they speak up in public. And if the police are pissed about that, they have no-one to blame but themselves.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1641 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    It seems to me that the fact that the police were using the TSA to conduct these raids sugests the interference of "a foreign power" for us to be seen helping in the "War on Terra" all they are going to come up with is "firearms charges" and maybe stolen goods, drugs and unregistered dogs and such like. Personally I'm not sure which side to be scared of.

    btw. this is not a poem ;-)

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4860 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    It seems to me that the fact that the police were using the TSA to conduct these raids sugests the interference of "a foreign power"

    According to the police commisisoner, there was no international aspect, and the suspect activities were purely domestic.

    He talks a lot about "training camps" and people playing with military weapons. A lot will depend on the intent of those involved. It's not a crime to go off with a bunch of mates and blast holes in things with registered, legally-owned firearms (provided it is done safely). It is a crime if you are doing this as preperation to commiting murder and other crimes of violence.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1641 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    I just hope we are not venturing into the tricky territory of using anti-terror laws to prosecute thought crimes, you know when people might say "that bitch Clark and the rest of the liarbour dykeocracy need a military coup to put bullet in the head," some cop using invasive surveillance picks up the conversation and before you know it you are an unregistered Gulfstream IV to Gitmo.



    Hmmm, come to think of it the posting has been quiet on kiwiblog today...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1806 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    Hinchcliff who ended up the next polling Centre Left cadidate. City Vision waited without making any call on the performance of Hubbard and it was too late.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant,

    Broad also notes that "not everyone who would have been at the camps has necessarily committed an offence".

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1641 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis,

    Auckland can be a rather pedestrian unfriendly city.

    My kids unit stayed at Waiapa Marae at the university at Matariki this year and planned on walking from there to the Auckland domain. There is no way to get there without at some point taking your chances with traffic. It's almost as pedestrians are an irksome afterthought.

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 455 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I must correct myself. The raids were, in fact, conducted under the Summary Proceedings Act but any mention of the TSA is scary to me. Having lived in the UK under the PTA (prevention of terrorism act) I have seen many injustices enacted under such laws. I feel sorry for the "averege Joe" in the states on this point too. The quote attributed to Edmund Burke springs to mind "first they came for the communists" etc.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4860 posts Report Reply

  • Tomorrowpeople,

    Sure, there are pedestrian idiots who endanger themselves.

    These would account for around 50% of pedestrians based on what I see every day.
    The number of people who will walk out onto the road before teh little green guy lights up is astounding. These peopel think tehy know the traffic light phasing so the can start walking when they see the cars are getting teh orange light. All you need is one lead foot in a car to race through the amber (and we all know thta is the norm) to take out a bunch of pedestrians.
    Next time you are in the CBD observe how many people actually WAIT for the green to cross...

    Nonetheless, Auckland is needlessly dangerous to pedestrians. Those things can both be true. And I'm not buying any argument along the lines of "nothing for you whining pedestrians until you shape up."

    I agree but some pedestrians are just stupid, just like the way they probably drive (through red lights).

    What I see is that in any given stretch of AK, the needs of people from far away to transit through are not well balanced with the needs of people who live and work there.

    Indeed - it all comes back to less cars and encouraging people to walk or use public transport ie. better footpaths, more crossings, safe crossings...

    Election issue anyone?
    lol

    While we are on the subject, can the cyclists please stop riding through the pedestrian crossings when people are trying to cross?

    The Craps tables at the B… • Since Nov 2006 • 188 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I love the way the authorities treat cyclists "Here ya go, have a bike lane you can share it with the buses" er! yeah, big metal thing against small fleshy thing, thanks.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4860 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Hmmm, come to think of it the posting has been quiet on kiwiblog today...

    Yes, interesting how quickly the team moderation and introducing a daily general discussion thread seems to be calming down the loony left and the rabid right wingnuts. A wee way to go yet, but a decent enough start.

    Legally speaking, remaining silent does not make you a party to a crime, and there's no obligation to report anything.

    True enough - and the stupid crap that seems to come from Mr. Iti every time he opens his trap proves nothing more than... well, he's full of crap. If that's a criminal offence, I'd respectfully suggest we're all terrorists now.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11988 posts Report Reply

  • Tomorrowpeople,

    I am pro cycling BTW - more lanes, less competition with cars and trucks, buses etc.

    Cyclists just neeed to remember they must follow the road rules.

    The Craps tables at the B… • Since Nov 2006 • 188 posts Report Reply

  • Tomorrowpeople,

    Tame Iti is a 'colourful character', not much else.

    I'm surprised he didn't get asked on to Dancing with the Stars.

    PS: I was joking when I mentioned his name first time around in this thread. I didn't know he'd been arrested - lol

    The Craps tables at the B… • Since Nov 2006 • 188 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    The raids were, in fact, conducted under the Summary Proceedings Act but any mention of the TSA is scary to me.

    The Summary Proceedings Act is the act under which police obtain search warrants. The obtained Search Warrants under that act for suspected breaches of the Arms Act and the Terrorism Suppression Act.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3004 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I must correct myself. The raids were, in fact, conducted under the Summary Proceedings Act but any mention of the TSA is scary to me. Having lived in the UK under the PTA (prevention of terrorism act) I have seen many injustices enacted under such laws. I feel sorry for the "averege Joe" in the states on this point too. The quote attributed to Edmund Burke springs to mind "first they came for the communists" etc.

    The way the PTA has been used in Britain is an outrage: to justify removing an elderly heckler (and party member) from a Labour conference; against the guy who suggested to a policeman his horse was gay; and against any number of people seeking to engage in no more than peaceful public protest.

    Arresting people alleged to have been training in the use of "military-style weapons" (one of the news stories mentioned grenades) for political ends would seem to be quite a bit different.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18877 posts Report Reply

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