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  • Craig Ranapia,

    But I do like the way he took ownership of what happened, no whinning, no excuses, no buts

    Certainly - and I really, really hope the counseling works for him, because I wouldn't fancy his chances of taking Kim Hill in a fair fight. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    Will Sport miss Trev ?

    IMHO not at all.............knows f**k all about elite sport and has done nothing for the rest. No lack of killer instinct in our Trev tho'

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    From Craig's link

    Mr Brownlee said: "I have found the last few days to be humbling, but I accept the judgment. We will not be taking it further. There will be no appeal."

    I have never understood these sorts of statements about humility.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I have never understood these sorts of statements about humility.

    Indeed. In Three's pretty soft piece on the reshuffle last night, even Clayton Cosgrove's Tourette-like reminders of how 'humble' he was drew some (gentle) urine extraction.

    To be fair, though, Frederick McElrea's judgment would have humbled anyone who wasn't in the grip of psychotic self-regard. Could have been a lot worse for GB, but it wasn't a ringing exoneration either. Humility was definitely the order of the day, but I agree it's only of those quality you show never tell about.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Oh, and could Helen please STFU now? Listening to the post-reshuffle post-mortem on Morning Report, the "there's no excuse for what Trevor did, but" spin coming out of her mouth is just getting worse.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    If Mallard had been formally charged and treated as a civilian, (hypothetically speaking) He would have been taken to the station, had his prints taken, mug shot and bailed after entering no plea in the wellington district court. He eventually would eventually found have been found not guilty or guilty of assault. If the latter where to be the case he would have entered a plea of mitigating before sentence. He would most likely have argued that he be discharged without conviction under section 106 of the sentencing act.

    from my why of thinking (partially impaired probably partly as a result of blows to the head) is That was the point of section 106 of the sentencing act. If he had have been formally charged by the police, he would have genuinely been made an example of what happens or should happen when we punch people in the head as the inappropriate expression of anger, with-in what we call civilization.

    As for the going of to counseling and attending an anger management course, Whilst he's showing genuine humility and remorse by doing that, it's a privilege not a punishment. those resources are not and should not be seen as becoming available because somebody has acted out as he has. It's unfortunate that Helen Clark has been saying things like "She says he has been in a very stressed situation and there is nothing shameful about getting support".(TV1) Getting professional psychological support
    actually isn't easy to get unless you go privet. It might have been more useful of her to use the opportunity to advocate the importance of privet medical insurance.

    I don't think the out come of Mallard going thru the normal process would have left him with a conviction, If it did he could have enjoyed the mercy of the clean state law if he managed he stayed out of trouble for seven years. Now he and his political aesthetics might have to deal with a privet prosecution instead.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    See what I am trying to say about the delicacy of the human brain.

    "If Mallard had been formally charged and treated as a civilian, (hypothetically speaking) He would have been taken to the station, had his prints taken, mug shot and bailed after entering no plea in the wellington district court. He eventually would eventually found have been found not guilty or guilty of assault. If the latter where to be the case he would have entered a plea of mitigating before sentence. He would most likely have argued that he be discharged without conviction under section 106 of the sentencing act."

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    Unofficial version - got the boot due to a poor performance in his justice portfolio and for making a pigs ear of handling the Electoral Finance Bill once it was released.

    I had read somewhere that Burton had been "underperforming" in his portfolio. He came across well on TV (ie, plausibly and as a rounded sort of chap) but how much can you really take from a TV interview. Still, that's more than I could say about some others. Don't judge a book et cetera.

    I do wonder whether any amount of adroit media handling could have protected the EFB from criticism from a free speech orientated press/law society/National Party.

    Since Nov 2006 • 598 posts Report Reply

  • Margaret B,

    Craig, I agree, I wish Helen would stop going on about it (and I guess that may mean the media need to stop fixating on it).

    What I would like a journo to ask is the following question of Mr Key:

    "Have you discussed the incident with the National MP involved, and have you indicated to him that if he did grab another MP by the tie that is not acceptable behaviour?"

    Trev was wrong. Tau's alleged actions prove he may have been a bit wrong too (of course less than Trev, it's never acceptable to bop someone as he did). If Key is going to continue to go on and on about how Helen handled Trev's actions then he should be opening himself up to some scrutiny about how he is handling Henare.

    Since Oct 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Trev was wrong. Tau's alleged actions prove he may have been a bit wrong too (of course less than Trev, it's never acceptable to bop someone as he did). If Key is going to continue to go on and on about how Helen handled Trev's actions then he should be opening himself up to some scrutiny about how he is handling Henare.

    It's like Henare is the bitch in this script.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2751 posts Report Reply

  • Margaret B,

    Sorry steven, you're going to have to explain to me what you mean here.

    Since Oct 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    If Key is going to continue to go on and on about how Helen handled Trev's actions then he should be opening himself up to some scrutiny about how he is handling Henare.

    I'd agree up to a point; but would also say that Key's not the one banging on about how much stress Mallard causes around the place, and that Trevor has made a career out of being a provocative little douche-nozzle who should have gotten a good smack from Bill English, when the 'honour' of his wife was - inaccurately - smeared from that quarter.

    I'll tell you this for free - I'm been informed by reliable sources that Henare (who is currently ranked 25th in caucus behind Georgina te Heuheu) hasn't shortened the odds of being promoted to the front bench any time soon. The phrase 'ripped a new one' came up more than once.

    And take it as read I don't think putting your hands around another MP's throat (which I've seen alleged elsewhere Henare did) makes one front-bench material in any party, let alone fit to hold a senior and enormously sensitive ministerial post.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And I'd respectfully suggest that if positions were reversed, and Key responded the same way Clark did where Mallard was concerned, Labour would be incandescent with righteous indignation. And you know something, I'd probably have to swallow my tribal instincts and agree with them.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Private prosecution filed against Mallard

    Graham McCready, who is facing more than 40 tax-related charges and is due to go to trial next month, lodged the court documents yesterday after police said they would not investigate his complaint.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4257199a11.html

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Finally, while we're exploring political hypocrisy around the Mallard affair, I'd like a journo to ask Miss Clark this question:

    <quote>Why didn't you chivalrous concern for the 'honour' of women subject to offensive and inaccurate insinuation extend as quickly - and vigourously - to [http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=178407|Mary English, Rosemary Bradford and Cathy O'Malley (who happens to be the sister of then Opposition leader and former Health Minister Jenny Shipley)]] - women who do not enjoy the protection of parliamentary privilege and cannot respond in kind.?"

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Finally, while we're exploring political hypocrisy around the Mallard affair, I'd like a journo to ask Miss Clark this question:

    <quote>Why didn't you chivalrous concern for the 'honour' of women subject to offensive and inaccurate insinuation extend as quickly - and vigorously - to Mary English, Rosemary Bradford and Cathy O'Malley (who happens to be the sister of then Opposition leader and former Health Minister Jenny Shipley) - women who do not enjoy the protection of parliamentary privilege and cannot respond in kind?"

    I don't like attack dog politicians, period; but what I like even less are the people behind them who like to pretend they're not holding the leash when it looks like backfiring on them.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    I suspect Mallard would have been up for more severe punishment if there wasn't a tacit agreement from all sides that Henare was asking for it.

    No, I'm not defending Mallard for a second. But there is such a thing as rough justice.

    And on Mr McCready....he looks the lead contender for this year's Get A Life award.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 805 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    BREAKING NEWS!! (from NZ Herald)
    Official confirmation NO charges will be laid following punch-up!

    So I guess we can all STFU now? It's over ...

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Margaret B,

    Oh Craig, don't start me on Clark's ridiculous "defending the honour of a woman" argument. Given her normally reasonably feminist stance I was surprised she could get those words out of her mouth in that order when she wasn't making a joke or being sarky.

    Thanks for the update on the view of Henare's prospects inside the beltway - I hadn't heard anything at all, so appreciate your insight.

    Steven, in the absence of a response from you yet (and acknowledging that I would be unreasonable to expect one so soon!) I'm wondering if you meant that I was somehow expressing some justification of Mallard's actions, based on Henare's? To be clear - I am not. Hitting is never ok (except maybe sometimes in genuine self-defence). I'm not interested in any "Mallard was totally wrong but..." sentences. I'll state it again - Mallard was wrong. Period.

    In real life it is possible for both sides of a situation to be in the wrong, but one more wrong than the other. It seems to me that that may be the case here, and I'm just a little frustrated at the massive media (and political) attention accruing to one side, when there appears to be zilch accruing to the other. Yes Mallard should be the main story here (sick of it as I am). It seems to me there must be a paragraph in that story though that covers Henare??

    Since Oct 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • Andy Milne,

    I suspect Mallard would have been up for more severe punishment if there wasn't a tacit agreement from all sides that Henare was asking for it...
    ...No, I'm not defending Mallard for a second

    Thats a fairly impressive bit of doublethink there Rob. "Im not defending what Mallard did, but Henare was SOOO asking for a smack in the chops".
    Im not a lawyer, but I don't know that "the other guy was asking for it" constitutes much in the way of a defense.

    I think a more plausible reason for a lack of punishment is that maybe its a tacit admission that Clark is taking some of the responsibility for Mallard crossing the line. As Colin Espiner said in his blog, the owner must take some blame when an attack dog goes feral. That and/or there's not much left in the cupboard to replace Mallard with.

    Christchurch • Since Aug 2007 • 58 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Not double think at all, Andy.

    I just wasn't taking a puristic legal approach.

    And if you think I'd go out of my way to defend Mallard, well, I think you'd find anyone who knows me would find the idea rather funny.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 805 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Thats a fairly impressive bit of doublethink there Rob. "Im not defending what Mallard did, but Henare was SOOO asking for a smack in the chops".

    Hum... and here's something else to consider: If you're a slightly misanthropic curmudgeon with a short (but longer than it used to be) fuse, most of the human race is begging for a good kicking most of the time. I just hyperventilate and grind my teeth a lot. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    I'm with Margaret on this "defending a woman's honour" crap. I put up a post on my own blog to this effect, and it's time stamped within 2 minutes of Margaret's post. So I really am with her on this one.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1323 posts Report Reply

  • Margaret B,

    Oh dear Deborah, people will start thinking we are the same person!! ;-)

    Since Oct 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Splendid contributions from the ladies there. And I shall defend you most strongly if any bounder says otherwise. Now then, did you bring a plate?

    Oh, and I'm afraid it's not over: Henare speaks

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0711/S00014.htm

    A strange statement. He could just say "That's not what happened". But he doesn't.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 782 posts Report Reply

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