Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Scuffling and screaming on The Left

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  • Russell Brown,

    Ditto.
    I don't want the PM to have the power to designate an individual or a group as terrorists.

    Me neither. It's an absolutely retrograde step.

    I/S says the Greens plan on moving some amendments to test the major parties. If anyone can give me a heads-up as to when that might be, I'd be happy to organise something on PA in support.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18707 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    I/S says the Greens plan on moving some amendments to test the major parties. If anyone can give me a heads-up as to when that might be, I'd be happy to organise something on PA in support.

    Would you really, that would be great. I am about as political as a teatowel but this pisses me off and I don't know the political process well enough to do anything useful.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    All I know about Browns Bay is that it's the "small town" outside of Auckland ... I'm gonna guess it's not known for Tuhoe radicals? ...Random acts of bloody dangerous violence by middle class kids.

    Geez those Tuhoe Terrorists are smart. Straight out of the pages of "How To Start A Class War"... dressing up as Shore Boys and blowing up a Police Station. Does anyone know where Tama Iti's kids were that night?

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I thought Rachel Hunter actually came from Glenfield, several suburbs over. Can someone confirm?

    She went to school in Glenfield - the intermediate, so I presume she lived there.

    C'mon, Browns Bay, famous for sightings of Shortie St Stars in cafes, and they did (still do?) the filming there.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6162 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Would you really, that would be great. I am about as political as a teatowel but this pisses me off and I don't know the political process well enough to do anything useful.

    Perhaps a few of us could get together and agree some non-hysterical wording and as many readers as wish to can then add their names to it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18707 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Perhaps a few of us could get together and agree some non-hysterical wording and as many readers as wish to can then add their names to it.

    Yes please.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    I don't want the PM to have the power to designate an individual or a group as terrorists.

    Me neither. It's an absolutely retrograde step.

    I/S says the Greens plan on moving some amendments to test the major parties. If anyone can give me a heads-up as to when that might be, I'd be happy to organise something on PA in support.

    Better hurry Russell, that's today. They're debating the TSAA as we write.

    I'd take slight issue with the characterisation of the TSAA as giving "the PM to have the power to designate an individual or a group as terrorists".

    The PM has that power under the TSA 2002. The PM's designations last for 3 years, and must be confirmed if they are to continue beyond 3 years by the High Court. As proposed to be amended, the bill doesn't change the power to issue a three-year interim designation, it moves the re-designation power from the High Court to the PM.

    So the law is that at the moment is that the PM can designate Greenpeace a terrorist organisation, and three years later, if the PM wants to keep it as such, it goes to court and Greenpeace, if they want, can argue against it. Three years later. There are issues with the TSAA, I'm not sure this is one to write home about. The right of Greenpeace to pursue a judicial review of the PM's decision in the interim remains (with the additional problem that the TSAA will allow the PM to use classified evidence during that judicial review).

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Thanks for the clarification Graeme. Why isn't this kind of information more widely available?

    Sigh.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    They're debating the TSAA as we write.

    I should clarify. The Committee stage of the TSAA is on now. It is during the Committee stage that Mr Locke's supplementary order paper will be moved and voted on. He has already mentioned it.

    I suppose it is possible that the debate will be dragged out longer than today, but that seems unlikely.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • Margaret B,

    Hunter is definitely from Glenfield.

    As for Shortie St stars in Browns Bay cafes, they have long decamped to the West, not sure exactly where, but all the filming is done out that way now - I think the shift happened when MacKenzie drove a truck into the hospital for the Xmas cliffhanger?

    Since Oct 2007 • 59 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Voting on parts of the SOP is happening now.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    I think the extremes in society do some important work in helping the moderate majority dwell in a fair&reasonable political climate; the centre of the bell curve is defined as much by the vocal fringes as by the general public.

    I agree that those with unconventional beliefs have an equal right to participate in the political process, and I wouldn't say that oestensibly "moderate" views are necessarily better than the alternatives. On the other hand, if you want to engage and connect with others, and therefore participate effectively in the political process, you need to understand (and to some degree empathise with) other people's viewpoints and concerns. I think this imperative tends to herd people towards the middle of the bell curve, and towards more constructive communication styles. Being indifferent to what everyone around you believes in and cares about has unwelcome consequences.

    There is a link between an individual's intellectual, emotional and spiritual development. Whatever collateral benefits extremes provide to society, sometimes I wonder whether the social alienation (even dysfunction) of some of those involved is something to regret.

    Since Nov 2006 • 559 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Brown's Bay is part of the suburban North Shore and the station keeps gentleman's hours.

    Ouch... slightly unkind, Russell. There are plenty of suburban stations that are not staffed 24/7, and least anyone complain that I can't give the incumbent Government credit for anything I can literally turn my head 90 degrees to the left and see http://police.govt.nz/district/tasman/release/2475.html. Ten minutes, at most, from Browns Bay - and a damn sight more accesible to the motorway and most of the North Shore than the former HQ in Takapuna.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11864 posts Report Reply

  • Neil Morrison,

    ...where was the anti-terror hysteria two years ago? I mean the National Front have been committing acts of violence and intimidation, stockpiling explosives and openly boasting of forming a militia and training in the bush.

    yes, I don't recall left wing activists getting quite so out of sorts when those NF folk were arrested, prosecuted and jailed.

    Since Nov 2006 • 932 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Fitzgerald,

    Neil - the big difference here would be the police being reactive to acts done & smoking guns clear for all to see.

    The cop in charge is Les Patterson http://www.sirlespatterson.com/
    if anyones up for a giggle.

    Do the Firies investigate or the cops?

    Since May 2007 • 631 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    The cop in charge is Les Patterson http://www.sirlespatterson.com/
    if anyones up for a giggle.

    LOL poor guy must get that all the time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8314 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Can I suggest that the throwing of the bomb was extremely well timed to focus the minds of politicians on the TSAA, against the 'woolly headed, Al Qaeda hugging' Keith Locke.

    I doubt we'll ever know who threw it (thrown bombs seem to be found usually only when the police have credible information/suspects/tip-offs), so I'm not going to allege anything, but to say that we've lost just another bit of our democratic freedom today after the amendments were thoroughly voted down.

    As usual, the National and ACT Parties are happy to protect our freedom to have elections bought, but nowhere to be seen on issues like this. And I have no idea what Labour is thinking. I fail to understand at all what rationale Labour MPs use. I would be genuinely interested to know.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2132 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Reading the parliamentary debates surrounding the bill and amendments gives me little confidence in our elected representatives to deal with the issues, and even more respect for Keith Locke.

    The People's Republic of … • Since Nov 2006 • 2132 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    George, you say National and ACT, but I believe Rodney Hide has been quite outspoken against the bill. "Imagine what Muldoon would have done with this", he said. According to I/S, there were 10 votes against Locke's amendments - the Greens only have six MPs so who were the other four?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2936 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    this just in:

    The names of two men arrested in nationwide police raids last month who have been fighting to keep their identity secret can now be revealed.

    They are Te Rangikaiwhiria Andrew Kemara, 38, and Tuhoe Francis Lambert, 58.

    Kemara is "Cyber Hori", the guy who bought all the weapons and other military equipment on Trade Me. He's a former vice-chair of the Maori Internet Society and I think he's also a moderator of the maori.nz domain.

    He has also argued on Kiwiblog, trivia fans ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18707 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    The other four votes were, unsurprisingly, the Maori Party. Act didn't turn up.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2996 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2936 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Voila..

    Ross Himona's company -- what a bummer for him. I used to deal with Ross when I was an IT journalist; very nice guy.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18707 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Voila..

    Well, it's looking like a defense.

    As
    Paul Buchanan said in his article in scoop today.

    Assuming they had the capabilities to undertake a terrorist act, at what stage of preparation was the Urewera 17? How far along were they in their training and build-up to the event? How much operational and communications security was being practiced? Were the cadres moving between safe houses, dispersing their weapons caches, and engaging in counter-detection maneuvers? Were all 17 involved in the plot, or was there a core element that surrounded itself with hangers-on and dilettantes? From what has been revealed so far, apparently 12 individuals are being considered for charges under the 2002 Terrorism Suppression Act, which makes it a rather large conspiracy if in fact the charges prove true. That would require a considerable degree of preparation, secrecy and coordination.

    Considering Kemara's Internet tech intelligence:

    Te Rangikaiwhiria Kemara
    IT Manager
    Rangi contracts to the company and looks after our IT. He builds great websites and is a network and internet security whiz. He also looks after client secure data backup services. Rangi calls on a wide range of contacts for services from specialist network administration to graphic artistry.

    (voila..)

    His Trademe behavior hardly looks like the work of an actual proper secretive terrorist conspiracy. As Buchanan also points out terrorism attacks need more than a few weekend retreats in preparation. I'd imagine it could be argued in court that Green-book IRA style urban terrorism requires high levels of secrecy. Something thats not evident in this alleged plot.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2586 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    OOPs, my point is that on the face of it, Cyber Hori lack's adequate
    sophistication of intent.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2586 posts Report Reply

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