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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:12:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Well, the new PISA survey is out and one would hope that it might at least briefly quell the clamorous cringeing that normally passes for public commentary on our education system.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there's still plenty to cringe about &ndash; and with all due respect, I don't give a shit about?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:12:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not unexpectedly, the US administration is already lying about what it knew, when of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran</p></blockquote><p>Also not unexpectedly, it turns out the 'intelligence community' isn't incapable of organising a gang-bang at a sex addicts' convention after all &ndash; as long as they're saying what you?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:22:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To get old fashioned for a moment, could I offer the following grade: "B.</p></blockquote><p>Or as the kids say nowadays,  'Achievement' or 'Achievement with Merit'</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:29:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						And yet last week we saw the report that <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/story.cfm?c_id=288&amp;objectid=10479241" target="_blank">NZ reading skill takes a drop</a>. Of course, if you read the article, it shows that our reading level has <strong>risen</strong> very slightly, and that it's our international ranking that has dropped.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:30:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not unexpectedly, the US administration is already lying about what it knew, when of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran</p></blockquote><p>That's just the opinion of Josh Marshall, if you look at the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120300846_pf.html" target="_blank"> WaPo</a><br /> article he refers to things aren't quite as clear cut. All this looks to have been?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:54:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						My take on the latest Iran announcement is somewhat along the line of "last time we in the CIA told those bozos in the White House what was going on, but they ignored is, and then blamed us for the resulting mess &ndash; this time we're going on the record?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:13:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Good to see in the Zeitgeist that Billy is still well loved.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:14:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>"Kiwi bamping" the number 9 kiwi search?</p><p>I feel like I'm missing out on something.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:28:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						camping surely? The number 1 result for "kiwi bamping" when I search Google refers entirely to this Zeitgeist page...must be a typo.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:33:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						Well, yes, of course. But I prefer to believe that there's some new underground phenomenon, extreme sport, sexual term or street drug that up until now I've been blissfully unaware.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:44:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						re: Iran, I don't see how it's possible to be the least bit sure about any of the claims by intelligence agencies about anything. They will never say why they think what they think, nor can they be required to. It entirely comes down to whether you trust them, and?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:45:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>camping surely? The number 1 result for "kiwi bamping" when I search Google refers entirely to this Zeitgeist page...must be a typo.</p></blockquote><p>You're creating a self-fulfilling error there. Bamping will soon be a leading search term, with people trying to figure out what the hell it is.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:45:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>But I prefer to believe that there's some new underground phenomenon, extreme sport, sexual term or street drug that up until now I've been blissfully unaware.</em></p><p>You could coin it right now, and start selling genuine kiwi bamping before the domain is taken!</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:49:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						Time to make a domain grab for kiwibamping.com, kiwibamping.co.nz etc...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:49:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>Bamping will soon be a leading search term, with people trying to figure out what the hell it is.</em></p><p>Is it just a late charge on Word of the Year? Cunning...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:50:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						Damn you and your quicker draw on the 'Post Reply' button.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:50:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bamping will soon be a leading search term, with people trying to figure out what the hell it is.</p></blockquote><p>I've been telling people kiwi bamping is our equivalent of quokka soccer.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:50:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						Kiwi Bamping article on Wikipedia by day's end?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:53:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>The new NIE on Iran represents an extraordinary change in international relations.  I hope it is true, but intelligence is never to a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, it is always guesswork to a significant extent, so you never know what the truth really is.</p><p>According to the NIE, firstly?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:58:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>Damn you and your quicker draw on the 'Post Reply' button.</em></p><p>Wait till you see how fast I can get the domains and point Wiki at them...:-). Actually no, I vote that Bamping be defined as 'Talking about it on a blog but not actually doing it'. Then it really?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:03:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><em>Maybe things aren't going so badly after all?</em></p><p>Tell that to all the dead people's families. In person. Make a tape, put it on YouTube. I'd really love to see it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:07:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Yes, things are going just peachily for all those civilian dead and displaced...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:07:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Hmmm. I think Ben and I have to link pinky fingers and say 'jinx' before we can post again...
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:08:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Warren Sellers</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This isn't to suggest that our education system is perfect (or that league tables are everything) but it appears to be outperforming nations with much higher per-capita income than ours.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly. PISA is a league table run by/for the OECD for econo-political purposes. It measures what it wants to find?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:08:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Andrew</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And yet last week we saw the report that NZ reading skill takes a drop. Of course, if you read the article, it shows that our reading level has risen very slightly, and that it's our international ranking that has dropped.</p></blockquote><p>So we haven't gotten dumber, just everyone else got?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:09:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Then it really will carry all the hallmarks of an addictive drug, better than sex...</p></blockquote><p>Dude, one of us is doing SOMETHING wrong.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:10:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Hmmm. I think Ben and I have to link pinky fingers and say 'jinx' before we can post again...</p></blockquote><p>My goodness. I'll bamp to that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:14:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Testcard</title>
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						<p>I get it. </p><p>Bamping is New Zealand's answer to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krumping" target="_blank"> krumping</a>.</p><p>Sweet.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:18:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Austin</title>
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						Derail: New<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/04/wikipedia_secret_mailing/ " target="_blank">  Wikipedia scandal</a> -Prepare for soul searching news stories about it and Web 2.0.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:20:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Wow, I thought, so many comments on NZ education already!<br />... but it turns out it's just one bamping after another ...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:24:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Dude, one of us is doing SOMETHING wrong.</p></blockquote><p>:-) Reminds me of an old gf when I told her Schwarzenegger once claimed pumping iron was better than sex. She said "He must have <em>really</em> bad sex".</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:27:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Bamping is New Zealand's answer to  krumping.</p></blockquote><p>No no, NZ's answer to Krumping is Crumping.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:36:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No no, NZ's answer to Krumping is Crumping.</p></blockquote><p>Is that like, telling tall tales in a slow drawl, driving Toyota pick-up trucks, and making fun of short blonde men called Scotty?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:01:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Iran, I don't see how it's possible to be the least bit sure about any of the claims by intelligence agencies about anything.</p></blockquote><p>to be sure, but given that this latest NIE on Iran is substantially different to that in 2005 it does suggest they have based this on what?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:01:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JP Hansen</title>
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						<p>Hmm. My couple-of-hours-old thread on "Kiwi Bamping" at my favoured messageboard (yes, a Star Wars one, I am a geek) now outranks Scoop's story in a <em>'Kiwi Bamping' google search</em> and is sitting pretty at number 1.</p><p>I really feel like I've achieved something today.</p>
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				<title>noizyboy</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Derail: New Wikipedia scandal -Prepare for soul searching news stories about it and Web 2.0.</p></blockquote><p>Man, what has the Register got against Wikipedia exactly? Do they have a 'one-anti-Wikipedia-article-a-month' policy or something? </p><p>To quote the Register in this instance...</p><blockquote><p>...a rogue editor revealed that the site's top administrators are using?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<p>I'd replaced the zeitgeist story with a (they say) changed version of the google release before I saw about the bamping. I had a look in case I was going to have to rain on the whole parade, but it's still there.</p><p>Let's bamp, bampers.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:04:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>to be sure, but given that this latest NIE on Iran is substantially different to that in 2005 it does suggest they have based this on what they believe to be good new intelligence.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe. Or maybe nothing has changed except the attraction of being made to look incompetent by?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:23:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>We can choose to eat it up or start to become skeptical about everything they say.</p></blockquote><p>you might be right but i think if the NIE assessment turns out to be wrong then it's more likely to be an honest mistake than some sort of skulduggery (a view based purely?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:38:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>...a rogue editor revealed that the site's top administrators are using a secret insider mailing list to crackdown on perceived threats to their power.</em></p><p>Or, to put in less 'shock-horror' terms, a few of the senior editors have a 'private' mailing list where they discuss issues to do with the?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:54:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and with all due respect, I don't give a shit about Australia.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe you should let all your mates over at Kiwiblog and in the National party know, Craig. With all due respect, of course.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:05:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it's more likely to be an honest mistake than some sort of skulduggery (a view based purely on not much).</p></blockquote><p>Either way they are proving their complete unreliability as a source of information.</p><p>I tend to think that intelligence agencies would be more prone than most institutions to groupthink. Academic?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:07:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>...say this amazing intel is from some agent working in Iran? What's to say they aren't a double-agent?</p></blockquote><p>it does seem that that's what was initially thought &ndash; that the intercepted communications were a scam. Seems that's why the NIE publication was delayed &ndash; so they could verify the intelligence.?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:27:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It could still be that iran is gaming but it does appear that this was considered.</p></blockquote><p>The same comment applies before the "new information". It is quite possible that it's a game Iran is very good at. Given the flipflop I'd even say it's likely. Either they're good at hiding?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:34:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>For instance, say this amazing intel is from some agent working in Iran? What's to say they aren't a double-agent? Or it's an Iranian double-agent that's been turned. Can we be sure they aren't a double-double-agent? Or perhaps it's just opportunists selling info to the highest bidder, who don't actually?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:47:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael Savidge</title>
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						<p><em>"Fuck!!" (in Persian of course)</em></p><p>Iranians speak Farsi redneck...</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:48:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Fuck!!" (in Persian of course)</p><p>Iranians speak Farsi redneck...</p></blockquote><p>I'm no expert on the topic, but at least according to Wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Language_and_Literature" target="_blank">you should check things out before you open your mouth</a>. Particularly if you're going to be y'know, rude about it. Farsi and Persian seems to mean the same thing.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:17:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I have it on good authority that some people think that Iran is inhabited by cute pink fluffy bunnies. This information may, of course be wrong. Some of those bunnies may be vicious.<br />On the other hand Iran might be developing nuclear power generation so as to conserve their stocks?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:28:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						<p>"Well, there's still plenty to cringe about &ndash; and with all due respect, I don't give a shit about Australia. But it's also fair enough to give credit where credit's due."</p><p>To hark right back to the beginning &ndash; couldn't agree more with this sentiment. I am so sick of?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:41:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p><em> Maybe things aren't going so badly after all?</p><p>Tell that to all the dead people's families. In person. Make a tape, put it on You Tube. I'd really love to see it. </em></p><p>You really ought to be making a request to Al Qaeda and Moqti et al terrorists?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:42:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kracklite</title>
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						<p>Interesting podcast that may be pertinent to the Iran issue.</p><p>It was part of a series of seminars on long term thinking by <a href="http://www.longnow.org/" target="_blank">The Long Now Foundation</a> </p><p>Psychologist Philip Tetlock decided to start grading pundits and think tanks on the accuracy of their intelligence and predictions.  Try <a href="http://www.longnow.org/projects/seminars/" target="_blank">here</a> and scroll?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:51:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						While the Iranian regime, Iraq and the US are the big winners from the new NIE, the big losers are the Iranian people who will have to continue to suffer under a brutal regime that over the last 27 years has killed 4,000 people, solely because they were gay, amongst?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:52:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Danyl Mclauchlan</title>
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						Cheers Kracklite &ndash; I've listened to a few of the long now seminars (mostly the singularity ones) but missed that one. Downloading it now . . .
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:49:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<p>I had a quick look at the Long Now site (only quick so the following observations could be wrong).</p><p>It seems to be a sort of psychological/political equivalent of the Slow Food movement. Which is something I'd support. But a few of questions.</p><p>Is this anything new? The idea that?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:12:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>The NIE report wasn't <em>that</em> much of a surprise ...</p><blockquote><p><strong>US report confirms Iran 'no imminent danger': IAEA official</strong><br />A US intelligence report saying Iran halted its nuclear weapons programme four years ago confirms the UN atomic watchdog's assessment that Tehran represents "no imminent danger", a senior IAEA official said?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:31:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>While the Iranian regime, Iraq and the US are the big winners from the new NIE, the big losers are the Iranian people who will have to continue to suffer under a brutal regime that over the last 27 years has killed 4,000 people, solely because they were gay, amongst?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:52:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						So if there's no concrete evidence of an undeclared nuclear weapons programme. how will the US know where to bomb?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:16:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So if there's no concrete evidence of an undeclared nuclear weapons programme. how will the US know where to bomb?</p></blockquote><p>No it's OK. They have smart bombs. They'll know where to explode.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:15:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<blockquote>You really ought to be making a request to Al Qaeda and Moqti et al terrorists & insurgents etc. to make a video on You Tube to apologize for the all the homicide bombings and murder and mayhem that they inflicted on Iraqis over the last few years. They killed, deliberately,?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:35:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>To hark right back to the beginning &ndash; couldn't agree more with this sentiment. I am so sick of hearing John Key/National/NZ Herald comparing us to Australia.</p></blockquote><p>My point, Luke, was more that if you're stuck in a poorly resourced school with a barely competent teacher, it's pretty cold comfort?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:46:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>to be sure, but given that this latest NIE on Iran is substantially different to that in 2005 it does suggest they have based this on what they believe to be good new intelligence.</p></blockquote><p>Or to be quite cynical, Neil, Captiol Hill is also substantially different from what it was?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:57:33 +1300</pubDate>
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						James, you may not have grasped my point. You said things aren't going so bad in Iraq. My point was that your observation depends entirely on whether you are the one who got killed, or had their family killed or kidnapped or bombed or any number of totally shit things?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:24:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tony Kennedy</title>
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						<p>"Iran is inhabited by cute pink fluffy bunnies"</p><p>This calls for the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch ... or does that only work with white ones?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:26:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Smith</title>
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						The situation in Iraq is obviously getting. There are a number of more hopeful signs coming from there, including this BBC report: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7089168.stm." target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7089168.stm.</a> Yes, it's hard to tell people who have lost loved ones, but if this positveness there continues, it's got to be good news for the region. Whether?
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Or to be quite cynical...</p></blockquote><p>from such a distance it's pretty hard not to be but I still think that one can sift thru the various more reliable info sources and get an impression of what's going on. </p><p>The LA Times has <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-intel5dec05,0,1376622,full.story?coll=la-home-centerv" target="_blank">Anatomy of an about-face on Iran</a> which appears?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:40:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Nat Torkington</title>
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						<blockquote>I'm not saying looking at overseas successes and failures is a bad thing, as long as you don't think you can just pick up something that plays well in Broken Bottle, WA, drop it on Whykickamoocow High and expect to instantly get the same result. But I'd rather not see?</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:53:07 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Andrew, progress is still progress. If you can forget the past then even tiny little improvements that put you only 2 decades behind where you were a few years ago, seem like wonders.</p><p>I imagine inmates in Guantanamo bay are extremely relieved the days they're allowed to, say, stand up,?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:59:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>robbery</title>
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						<blockquote><p>their little campaign to have New Zealanders send a bottle of a favourite flavour to distant friends</p></blockquote><p>I thought the favourite liquid gift from kiwis to overseas people was kiwi fruit liqueur.</p><p>Can't count the number of times I've visiting overseas people with tenuous nz connections, who bring out an?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd love to know how you'd reform the education system. What would be the first policies in place should the Craig Ranapia First party be elected in 2008?</p></blockquote><p>If anyone was stupid enough to make me Prime Minister, that would be pretty conclusive evidence that public education is a total?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:20:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote>If anyone was stupid enough to make me Prime Minister, that would be pretty conclusive evidence that public education is a total waste of time. But a good start would be if every education policy debate wasn't framed as Apocalypse Now(-ish). It might also help detox things a bit if?</blockquote>
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						<p>Kyle, you don't get it. It is not intelligent to debate policy. That is what bureaucrats do. Politicians pick on something isolated and silly, like hip hop tours are when they're taken out of all context. That is intelligent.</p><p>I'd feel a whole lot safer if National just said they?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:43:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>In light of this statement</p><blockquote><p>A retired Israeli diplomat said secrecy was key. For high-risk missions like a long-range bombing run, he said, "it would be unwise to check in, even with our closest allies, ahead of time".</p></blockquote><p>from the Harold this morning. I get the impression that we can expect?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I was entertained Craig how your response followed what I find to be a standard National Party line, particularly in the Key reign. "Intelligent debate", "less bureaucracy", "no hip hop tours" etc, but not actually any policy, when that's what was asked for.</p></blockquote><p>Oh and how delightfully predictable that was,?</p>
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						Oh, and there might well be a few PAS readers who know more about the sector than I do, and would have more informed and insightful ideas to put out there.  I can live with that.
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>Craig, you did appear to make a claim that our children are sat in cold classrooms surrounded by incompetent teachers.</p><p>If this *is* the case then it seems that such conditions create some very positive educational outcomes.</p><p>Do you have any other research of facts that you can bring to?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Kyle, you don't get it. It is not intelligent to debate policy. That is what bureaucrats do. Politicians pick on something isolated and silly, like hip hop tours are when they're taken out of all context. That is intelligent.</p><p>I'd feel a whole lot safer if National just said they?</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Max Call</title>
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						<p>What I would like to see;</p><p>1) resourcing for children with dyslexia (not currently recognised as a learning disability and as such no resources are allocated to specifically diagnose dyslexia and then help these children).  I believe this would have a large impact on our 'long tail' of underachievers.  Larger?</p>
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						<p>CIA RAG IRAN PA<br />is an anagram of ?</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Craig, you did appear to make a claim that our children are sat in cold classrooms surrounded by incompetent teachers.</p></blockquote><p>Balls, Don.  Sorry, I can't really be bothered being more polite but I'd love to introduce you to a few teachers who will be devastatingly blunt about their views on?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote>Oh and how delightfully predictable that was, Kyle. Just for the record, can I engage in a discussion without having a detailed manifesto to hand? And could you in future shit-can the dopey innendo that I 'follow a standard National Party line' rather than expressing my own views in good?</blockquote>
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						<p>Craig, if it's a choice between civil servants making policy without telling us what it is, or politicians, I'm undecided which is more democratic.</p><p>As for clear and direct answers, I'd fall off my chair if any politician was ever so bold (without simultaneously being a complete liar or a?</p>
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						<blockquote><p>teacher recruitment and retention, training standards</p></blockquote><p>maybe paying a decent salary would be a good start.<br />I imagine a lot of people would be put off from a career in teaching as it doesn't pay well.</p><p>I am a new teacher (recently finished my Grad Dip) and will start on?</p>
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				<title>jon_knox</title>
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						<blockquote><p>CIA RAG IRAN PA<br />is an anagram of ?</p></blockquote><p>nice!....(pauses to ponder how long Steve was doodling with Craig's name to come up with that....quickly finding an anagram generator to amuse himself)<br />Again Crap Air <br />Pagan Car Air I<br />A Car Nag Pair I</p><p>I nominate Steve's anagram for Anagram?</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can't really be bothered being more polite</p></blockquote><p>Well, I wasn't expecting you to make an exception for me.</p><blockquote><p>they're real, complex and aren't addressed by either hysterical overstatements</p></blockquote><p>So, let's hear it without the hysteria, please.</p><p>If the solution is more investment in training, salaries, infrastructure tell us. </p><p>Also?</p>
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						<p>Ok<br />Iran nuclear threat<br />Anagram = Clean in a rare truth.<br />beat that for weird.</p>
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						<p><em>beat that for weird.</em></p><p>LOL very very good. I wonder if that's the amazing new intel. CIA codecracking machines have finally had Allah speak directly to them.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Should it be through taxation, fees, PPP's?</p></blockquote><p>taxation, definitely.</p>
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				<title>Luke Williamson</title>
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						Again, back to the original post &ndash; the point Russell was making that all the policy, funding and everything else that goes into the education system does seem to be keeping us near the top of the educational pile on a world-wide basis. Yes, we have problems and a disappointing?
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				<title>tim kong</title>
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						<p>god. that's annoying.</p><p>Lost my entire post.</p>
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						<p>Disclosure #1:  I am a third year teacher.</p><p>Disclosure #2:  I am knackered.  </p><p>Literally hanging out for the last day of school.  Like most teachers I'm assuming, whether it be the 14th or the 20th of December.</p><p>I have not read the PISA reports, so I can't speak to them.?</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I didn't think the challenge would come from explaining 'round peg in a square hole' &ndash; but then how do you argue with a student who states: "You could do that if the peg was smaller than the hole."</p></blockquote><p>Lol. There's a kid that'll go far.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Literally hanging out for the last day of school.</p></blockquote><p>'Literally'?? (see discussion on 'Word of the Year' thread.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>Literally hanging out for the last day of school.</p><p>'Literally'?? (see discussion on 'Word of the Year' thread.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like indecent exposure to me.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>"The little girl at the end ... because that's us."</p><p>The kids are alright.</p></blockquote><p>Aw thats cool, thanks</p>
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						Surely 'hanging out', if it refers to a body part, would be the tongue? But isn't 'hanging out' just a phrase that means 'being somewhere (or with someone) for a while'?
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						Thanks Tim Kong &ndash; I hope that the other teachers at my school will be like you :-)
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						I salute you Tim. I want to pay more tax and employ more people like you and pay you more.
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