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Hard News: About last night's medical cannabis question

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  • andrew r,

    Genters Bill - yes indeed! We really want Greens back in parliament - they're a conscientious lot and often lead the way on issues that months/years later become mainstream enough for wisely circumspect Labour to adopt. Party vote Greens way. They're on 5% - yikes.

    auckland • Since May 2007 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • SamC,

    It seems like a good policy "win" that Labour can give to Greens in coalition talks. Greens supporters will be happy, Labour don't have to spend too long on creating their own policy, and most of the public will probably be happy.

    Since Aug 2014 • 4 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody,

    However it’s worked out, this needs to be taken seriously. It’s time.

    Total relief to hear Ardern's unequivocal "yes". And if she gets in - I'll be right in there ensuring it happens sooner rather than later. Glad to hear from you that Kelvin's on board as well.

    I see such a more positive future for Maori youth in this legislative reform alongside the Labour intention to pay for both learners and restricted licence qualifications as part of secondary learning. How many young people's first spat with the law has to do with unpaid fines as a result of non-compliance with the driver's licence regime? Fines they can't pay and default on.

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 713 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    I should have mentioned that the New Zealand Drug Foundation’s model drug law is also there as a resource for the next Parliament.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22182 posts Report Reply

  • Pete McDowell,

    Just want to recommend Disjointed on Netflix. Kathy Bates so good as cannabis activist/dispensary owner Chuck Lorre show

    Since Mar 2014 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    So I think that the intent is there – and that given the way the Parliamentary stars have aligned, intent is all that’s required for now.

    I’m just going to be spacing out on these two lines for the time being.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3821 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Pete McDowell,

    Just want to recommend Disjointed on Netflix. Kathy Bates so good as cannabis activist/dispensary owner Chuck Lorre show

    Ooh. Thanks for the tip.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22182 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I see such a more positive future for Maori youth in this legislative reform alongside the Labour intention to pay for both learners and restricted licence qualifications as part of secondary learning. How many young people’s first spat with the law has to do with unpaid fines as a result of non-compliance with the driver’s licence regime? Fines they can’t pay and default on.

    I was a "Maori youth" equivalent. I even went to a Maori school. Seriously, that's what the ministry of education classified my rural school as. And it had a curriculum to match. That was becouse Maori in that area where considered less likely to go to university than get a job at the freezing works, than pakiha in the city. So politicians of the day thought it was a good idea to make my cohort (when I attended Maori school) manual labour work ready. There was quite a big Maori problem during the 1970s :)

    My first brush with 'criminal' law was alcoholic. Traffic offending isn't criminal law, bus yes, I did drive without a drying licence, warrant of fitness and registration. Getting pulled over by the black ands whites was a definite pain in the arse, but the fine was generally served concurrently. So back in the day, it was the equivalent of two crates of beer. See the problem? A traffic offence such as simply leaving an unwarranted car on the road, can lead to a penalty equivalent to four crates of beer. Being pulled over with multiple none compliance issues is the equivalent of an entire ute load of drinking.

    So yes! I vote for the decriminalise weed policy's, but I'm not overwhelmed enough by the hype, to think it's going to reduce the prison population a hell of a lot. It's a step in the right direction, but you got to get serious about ratcheting back that liberalisation of the marketing of alcohol. We don't really want French style drinking habits in New Zealand. Trust on that, I've seen middle class people drink themselves into the gutter.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3821 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to steven crawford,

    you got to get serious about ratcheting back that liberalisation of the marketing of alcohol.

    Yep, as part of that liberalisation, this is of interest;

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2767426/Being-drunk-in-public-should-be-an-offence-again-Sir-Geoffrey

    Palmerston North • Since Sep 2014 • 713 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    That is interesting. It’s kind of like one of the decriminalisation concepts, an infringement penalty for simple possession. That’s instead of treating it as criminal, along side violent crime and dishonestly crime. But I don’t like the idea of police getting the power to go around fining people at there discretion for public drunkeness. If I was fined for being drunk back in the day, I’d probably have said fuck off, pig, let’s take this to the judge. And that wouldn’t have solved any problems, unless the judge had sentenced me to get my head read.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3821 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    I've seen middle class people drink themselves into the gutter.

    Sounds like the kind of thing that early intervention might have circumvented.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4493 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    I noticed something during the TV debate. It reminded me of Fox and Friends and their perspectively diminished female with the blokes to the fore and dominant. There was not one left to right camera during the whole debate other than some from behind Goon’s left shoulder. The long shots had Alpha Billy always in front of the perspectively lower Ms J. Well played TV Won.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1581 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    I certainly agree with the proposition that medicinal cannabis and its derivatives should be decriminalised as soon as possible. Unfortunately, there's also the question of competitor monitoring. Family First (yes, them) has a Say Nope to Dope website that elides support for decriminalisation of medipot with recreational decriminalisation.

    Perhaps someone on the decriminalisation side could rig up a Say "Knob" to Bob website to fact check and counter FF's claims?

    http://saynopetodope.org.nz/

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 455 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    nominate non-pharma-grade products that could be prescribed

    “You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? - Medicine.”

    Is it really acceptable for doctors to prescribe (e.g. advise someone to take a medicine on a basis of their authority and standing) something that hasn't been properly monitored for quality and efficacy?

    Wouldn't it be much better just to legalise weed in some form (non-commercial sale, no advertising, whatever) and let doctors advise a patient of the possible risks and benefits of using it to help their condition, but not hand them official endorsement in the form of a script?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5523 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Wouldn’t it be much better just to legalise weed in some form (non-commercial sale, no advertising, whatever) and let doctors advise a patient of the possible risks and benefits of using it to help their condition, but not hand them official endorsement in the form of a script?

    That's a proper good idea. The doctor can give advise based on the individuals medical history. And if legalising research_of marijuana for medicine isn't already in the NZ draft, it would do no harm. I don't like the idea of elderly people with terminal illnesses, just blundering in and winding up suffering from high anxiety stoned end of life experience, just becouse the blogosphere said it was a cure all.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3821 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to steven crawford,

    ...just blundering in and winding up suffering from high anxiety stoned end of life experience, just becouse the blogosphere said it was a cure all.

    Double that if they got their info from a Canadian.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4493 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    There is a grey power chapter from northland, publicly agitating to be allowed to grow dope in the garden for medical use. There spokes person admitted on the radio, that she had never tried the stuff, but reckoned old people should be allowed to use it, becouse it’s said to be good shit; better than morphine even.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3821 posts Report Reply

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