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Hard News: Digital persuasion and the dark places of democracy

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  • steven crawford,

    This is important. Copy right laws could prevent alternative social media platforms such as the open source social media platforms like Diaspora* from becoming a credible alternative to the multi billion dollar centralised corporates that are currently playing us like puppets.

    So while everyone is outraged about Facebook Et Al not managing there algorithms
    in our best interests, we might just regulate ourselves out of a free and open Internet. That would be pretty stupid.

    https://blog.diasporafoundation.org/62-european-copyright-reform-article-13-puts-alternative-social-networks-at-risk

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    So anyone who has no idea what I’m talking about. Here is the wiki :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28social_network%29

    Basically, if your addicted to social media, this is your methadone.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Bugger, The european union already moved on article 13

    https://saveyourinternet.eu

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    One theory of the origin of this form of extremism has been disproved at least. These people are not the product of oppression or some sort of western imperialism. Their grudges and grievances are based on hatred of difference which has been with us for a very long time.

    Since Nov 2016 • 341 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    In the case of the alt-right, surely 4chan and 8chan are more relevant media outlets insofar as toxic social media networking goes? Why aren't people discussing those?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 544 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Craig Young,

    4chan and 8chan

    Im hoping we dont have to, in the public realm, because those who say they want to target hate speak on the net are, by now, all over those fuckers. Problem tho, most of them are in the US. And yes, Im looking at our PM and her much heralded coming together with other heads of state.
    Im just thinking is that really necessary? Or are they just wanting to be seen to be doing stuff.
    And all they will end up doing is flattering the likes of Google and FB by associating with them, and all the great unwashed will see is the photo ops and get fed the BS 'We had an excellent meeting"...wonderful. And G& FB will become default surveillance organisations.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1874 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Young,

    Why aren’t people discussing those?

    To avoid showing the disaffected where to gather?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19667 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Craig Young,

    Why aren’t people discussing those?

    I wondered about how the open source model I linked to, could deal with the sorts of threats to democracy that Facebook poses. The simple answer might be, is that if enough tech people get pissed off and concerned they can make algorithm modifications to the software remembering, its open source – in the interests of doing the right thing, more swiftly than executive controlled behemoth like Facebook. Because people are most good, or we would be extinct already. Then again, we are not long out of the dark ages where we were more likely to die from brutal murder than anything else. Too philosophical?

    Facebook: Net income US$ 22.111 billion (2018)...

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Sorry, We don’t actually have many statistics from the dark ages. They where the dark ages. whoops.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young, in reply to andin,

    I keep hoping that they'll piss off someone in what's left of Anonymous so they can retaliate and inflict some strategic hacktivist damage on the buggers...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 544 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Huawei phones only just got better than Samsung then this thing about Google discarding a big chunk of its captives.

    It might be time to start looking at buying an ubuntu phone.

    However, as this reddit thread says, it's not going to be for everyone.

    "Since it won't be Android or iOS, it won't be what you're used to. It won't work the same way your current phone works. It'll be weird. It'll be awkward. It'll be frustrating. You'll have to figure some things out. You'll have problems, bugs, issues. You'll have times when you'll maybe even regret buying it a little bit."

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to steven crawford,

    buying an ubuntu phone

    I would love one but in order to get into work I have to run either an Android app or an IPhone one. The mobile team have not taken my request for a Linux app seriously, apparently it's an even stupider idea than a Windows phone version.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1177 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Moz,

    That makes sense. Apple and Google make it all easy, like you don't even have to question how anything works. Windows is obviously stupid and only for losers now because they failed to achieve market share. Dumb looser windows phone people!

    Don't get me started on teaching school age children how technology works. We all know the sensible thing is to just buy the stuff from the shop.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to steven crawford,

    Well, it's more like how many users would we get from that month of developer time, vs what else could the developer do in a month. The answer "one" is technically better than "none" but it's still not going to get a developer assigned to the task. For that I need over a thousand, preferably more, or a major new customer.

    I have seen a dual boot phone but rebooting to get into the office just seems painful.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1177 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Moz,

    Are there no door handles? :-)

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to steven crawford,

    Are there no door handles?

    The vandals took the handles!

    and... you don't need a weather man
    To know which way the wind blows

    Look out kid...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7876 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to steven crawford,

    They want people to be forced to use the windows instead of Windows?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1875 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to linger,

    Yes, rather than rebooting the door open.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to linger,

    forced to use the windows instead of Windows

    What a pane...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7876 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to steven crawford,

    rebooting the door open.

    My ex-gf recently left a plastic item on the stovetop when she went out, and apparently there was an element on. The fire brigade used their universal key to get in.

    Maybe I should borrow that, rather than boots?

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1177 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Moz,

    The fire brigade used their universal key to get in.

    Thats the hard drive.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

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