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but I'm also sceptical of your "this is the end, the final end" feeling.
I'm not thinking that at all,
I just think the issue is wider and deeper than some almost cliche attitudes.
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And I think there are already viable alternatives (just some: emusic, the radiohead approach, the madonna deal), for all that the majors don't like them.
and don't forget david byne out walking the planks again.
but all of those are exceptions to the rule and the radiohead example was a disturbing reflection on either them or their fans with 65% of them paying nothing a further 28% paying fuck all and only a handful paying market rate or showing them some respect.The emusic idea I like. although I'd like it better if it worked more like a shared music collection where an entry fee gets you all the music you can listen to and record you want, kind of like full res you choose radio without ads.
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Still, I'm not sure, but I'd wager most professional musicians don't make their money from recording.
I am sure and I know where musicians get their money from and how that has changed over time.
In most of the cases its not about earning income from recording, its about covering costs. You've said recording is cheaper than ever and in one way that's true. its cheaper than ever to piss around at home but if you're going to produce something that sonically competes that's still difficult and expensive. Every good sounding home recording was done on borrowed expensive equipment some where in the chain be it borrowed good mics, borrowed engineering skill, or extensively mastered by really good engineers.
and even then cheap is not that cheap. an mbox a good mic a good set of head phones some speakers will get you 1-2 channels of recording and set you back 2-4 grand, or more, but then you've still got to learn how to use it and when you give up you get your sound engineer mate in. etc.
if you want to do full bands drums etc you're up in another league with a mixing desk, more mics and stands cables etc. its the 10 -20 grand league at the low end.
Studios worth their salt start at $50 an hour and the better ones go for twice that or more. none of that's changed really.What has changed is the abilitity to cover those costs.
25 years ago musicians were pretty much guaranteed to recoup through sales and gigging the costs of making a record, it might take time but most could.
That's clearly not the case now with many wearing the costs out of their personal pocket and not coming anywhere near making a dent regardless of medium level success, and the general view is thats their problem, can I have a free one,
That's not the case the world over, japan has a completely different level of respect for their artists, and there are still the fan boys and girls out there who buy it because its important to them to send some money back to support the process, but there is a national mind shift not aided at all by stupid comments from.....
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Noone here I think is against musicians who create original work making money from that.
That's clearly not true judging from some of the comments here and its whats makes this situation interesting.
Mostly people are swayed by misconceptions perpetuated by people who should know better.
Andrew Dubber and his "major record labels are evil and ripping people off so its time for them to get a little of their own medicine back" "none of the money goes to the artists" sctick (NZ Radio discussion group), and our own RB with the "another nail in the coffin of DRM" carry on as if an and all attempts to manage distribution of owned digital media should be frowned upon as it it was worse than people freely stealing it.
Some of it people should know better about and others bits they should think a little longer on and figure what the effects are most likely going to be. Remember some people let others do their thinking for them, especially with media types.
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an article on a similar system I suggested for anti music piracy for people who think effective drm is impossible
To combat piracy, Cinea developed its innovative solution, which provides copy protection and piracy tracking for DVDs. Cinea’s solution includes the S-VIEW DVD player and encryption technology to safeguard content. The S-VIEW DVD player offers the highest-quality picture and sound. It also plays standard DVDs. In collaboration with the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, and the British Academy of Film and Television Arts, Cinea has distributed the SV300 model of its S-VIEW DVD player to nearly 12,000 of the collective voting members. Recipients of the Cinea S-VIEW players simply need to install the player as part of their home entertainment system, as they would install a regular DVD player, and make a phone call or go online to register with Cinea.
Cinea encrypts each disc with a code unique to each member. The Cinea disc delivered to each member will play only on the Cinea S-VIEW DVD player registered by that member. A Cinea encrypted disc cannot be viewed on any other DVD player or computer. So you basically need to have a registered machine to play those review DVD copies, which are sent out to many film critics. You can’t play the disc on any other DVD player, so it’s impossible for a “scene-friendly” critic to share the disc with some release group, which would rip it and spread all over the internet.
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I've been with my current isp
who u with?
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They'll look like idiots shutting down the information superhighway.
That's kind of what nz internet providers look like at the moment with their piss poor service but you don't see them making any urgent plans to fix anything. so long as you're paying the maximum they think they can squeeze out of you a month and happily sending emails and looking at web pages they're quite happy, they don't seem to be so keen to offer much more than that to joe average at the moment.
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I was just expressing surprise at your 'do as I say but not as I do' approach to this issue.
There is a certain amount of sarcasm in my statements but if you read my comments I've never said that any individual stopping downloading is going to do anything to change the present situation. all my comments have been about looking at the long term effects of no constraints on copying. Humans are not going to change so you have to change things for them.
To take an Anti DRM stance and public push for it is a narrowminded and short sighted thing to do, regardless of how hard it may be to impliment a really good drm. Yes we can download any thing we want without paying for it and that might seem nice right now but its establishing a president that will have far reaching and potentially very damaging effects on the people who make the things we so much enjoy.
I'm just calling out the people who attack any attempt to control digital media. Yeah I get you want to get something for nothing but sooner or later if you keep stealing off the shop and try and stop it installing security cameras and safe guards, well the shops going to close. That's my point. and when there's no shop you'll feel a little bit stupid about crying cos someone made it hard for you to copy your cd to your ipod.
I'm not telling you to do anything like I do or otherwise or telling you anything about what I actually do in my life, I'm just trying to illustrating points to further thought beyond "they tried to stop me sharing my music so they're evil giant mega corps"
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There's no way that every isp in the world is going to clamp down on "high internet users". They'll look like idiots shutting down the information superhighway.
and yet that's what france is already doing. go figure eh, didn't see that one coming.
and true re costs. 15 gig for $10 is a good deal though, although in movie terms it starts to become marginal to download a full movie versus renting it.
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Chuckle.....
amusing piss take, but I did say the free for all wouldn't last without repercussions :)
download it while you can,