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Currently some people get quality video from the internet, few years from now, it'll be the new napster - we'll all be doing it.
its happening now and its great fun kyle but realistically if it carries on there are going to be effects.
I personally think it will get to a stage where internet traffic will be monitored and controlled.
They're doing i now to a certain extent with traffic shaping of p2p programs. They (in NZ) figure that if you're sending and receiving large files then you're trading in music and film and aren't a legit user so they dumb your speed down. it happening already.They know you're doing it, its only a matter of time till they act on that knowledge.
legit media traffic on thenet will have a authorisation code,
legit users (media producers etc who have real reason to be sending and receiving large files) will have a license.
the end result of the free for all will be an excuse to monitor traffic, and the reduced privacy that comes with that. they won't be able to monitor home copying of discs though.
The live only album is a novel idea but it is really just like all the other solutions presented so far, novel, but not solid and longlasting, it'll work for one or 2 artists but not the whole industry.
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looting is a good analogy
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That's because every time somebody's offered what customers actually want (Napster, Kazaa, AllOfMP3 etc)
That's because those aren't customers finn, their shop lifters.
using our shop example, what the 'customer' wants is stock on helves out of view of the teller, no security cameras and not a cop in sight.
as someone else said, since when is it your right to get something for nothing.What you are right about is there has been fuck all effort put in to developing models for legalised music sharing.
did you know that amcos requires you to have a compilers license to make up best of discs for your shop, regardless of whether you own the original discs. Yeah, they've got a long way to go on making that past time a reality, but that still doesn't negate the illegality of piracy nor remove the far reaching long term consequences of it which pro free for all exponents continually over look. -
That's what DMR seems to be trying to do, and that's why I'm happy to see it die.
Thats one possibly way of looking at it but the other is the reason you're happy to see it die is because it gets in the way of uninhibited theft or that the brainiacs that invent these things have been completely crap at pulling it off. DRM is hated as much for its failures as for stopping us get away with a "victimless crime".
If reality was free for all shopliftng then the cops and security cameras would be the ones who weren't "getting reality"
I'm pretty confident there ARE business models that will work, tho.
its been a few years now, napster was 1998 wasn't it? that's ten years and no realistic solid model. (isn't the messiah due to return too sometime?)
Hope you are ok, Rob!
I'm bloody good thanks me stowell, enjoying the digital free for all as much as the next guy for now, but my point as backed up by comments from the quoted article is that this is all short term, in the long term I know that our unchecked piracy is going to have an impact and its more interesting to speculate on that than get into a lather about the demise of a necessary regulating force.
some of the alternatives are far less tasty than DRM. how bout a monitored and regulated internet? I think i'd like that less than a fully implemented DRM
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I've been trying really hard to read this tomb of a paper but fuck'd if I can get through it. I skipped to the end to see if "darth vader was lukes father" but the whole paper raised a few question for me.
We're talking about how NZ on Air should go forward with its funding. New media considerations and all that.
Did you consult media makers, the people who make successful music videos and ask them how their costs have changed with the new media channels, ie does the fact that it played on you tube or myspace affect the cost of professionally producing these things?
I'm also interested in whether you and dubber got commissioned to write this paper or did you do it out of community spirit.
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Interesting artile in saturday's (19/01/08) chch press by Kimberley Rothwell titled making free music pay.
It touched on a number of the themes discussed in this thread.
Mark Kneebone commented on the short term verses long term effects of piracy.
"the short term slightly naive viewpoint is that record piracy doesn't really effect these artists (established artists who make more from publishing and performance than from cd sales) as they aren't making much money from record sales anyway, but the long-term effect is that if people pirate records, those artists and labels have less money to reinvest in the next records marketing and promotion which means invariably the bands become less popular and earn less from their live shows"
Barnaby Weir (he of the black seeds) commented - "Its fair enough for bands to give away music for free.... but at what point do we say 'I'd love to record, but I'm on the bones of my ass because no-one pays for music anymore"
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at least they're not forgetting their is a world outside America and qualifying best band of all time with 'sub category' 'American'.
I get sick of the meaningless hyperbole but then I guess these guys have got to try something to trick you into buying their sub par music, -
costello wasn't half as clever as I think he thought he was, not to say he wasn't clever,
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Your hopes?
satellite internet provided by international providers completely smash the data cap strangleholds of local providers.
no international data cable excuses. -
most people are better at putting their thoughts into words than dancing. elvis's catchy line is more clever than it is intelligent. That said there is an art in translating one sensory experience into another medium