Posts by Bart Janssen

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  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to barnaclebarnes,

    National standards or not, how do we measure that the teaching that you are doing is working?

    There are several worldwide surveys of performance that show the NZ education system has been working really well at producing children and adults that can think across several disciplines.

    The reality is that by "trusting the teachers" and education professionals we have established a genuinely world class education system.

    In short you CAN trust teachers.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to John Holley,

    so Hartevelt/Fairfax are going to have a lot of fun

    By that you mean that it would be hard work to format the responses into comparable data that can be then used to compare schools in a balanced and measured manner.

    However, they have no such obligation. Their obligation is to the shareholders and that means they have to sell more papers etc.

    It should be fairly easy to create tables that appear to compare schools and tell whatever story suits the headline of the day. I expect sensational headlines highlighting the waste of taxpayers money in school x that performed badly but received y funding ...

    I do not expect proper analysis of the data to help us improve schools that are struggling and/or identify schools that are succeeding beyond expectations so we can learn from them. That of course is the job of the ministry.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    children will suffer the consequences of going to a school that may or may not be perfect for them

    That not what has happened elsewhere. What has happened is that schools distort the education of children to get a good number on whatever measure the table uses this year. The result is all children get lower quality education.

    And in poorer communities the lower table ranking causes parents to transfer their children to higher ranking schools. This has the effect of removing from the school parents who care about education which has negative effects on the school as a whole.

    This happens to some degree now, but league tables make it a much more dominant effect.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to Rob Coup,

    If we start down “well, not for <insert controversial topic>”, pretty soon there’ll be no open data

    Slippery slope argument.

    I really do get the importance of open data.

    But I also know that civil protest is tremendously important as well. Without the willingness of people to break laws (even good laws) we would not have the society we cherish today. Are you saying the OIA is a law that should never be broken?

    So here's a question
    If the OIA is so important that you will not accept any limit to it, how do you suggest schools (those who care) make their protest against this use of this data?

    And bear in mind that this is a really important thing that is happening. League tables will damage our next generation so no token protest will suffice, it has to be something that makes people notice what harm is being done.

    To me this is more important than same sex marriage or even asset sales. I'd also argue that the very fact that parents will move house simply to get to a better school is an indication of how important it is to the public.

    Believe me I do understand the principle of OIA. I just don't believe that principle is more important than a quality education system.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to Nathaniel Wilson,

    Alternatively, we could all just send our children to the local high schools of the communities we’ve chosen to live in, and base where we live on the quality of the neighbourhood, not the schools.

    But if past behaviour is a predictor of future behaviour, then no matter how worthless the data is, parents will do anything to send their children to the highest ranked school they can manage.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I suspect you just don’t care

    Actually I care a great deal. The OIA is tremendously important.

    But so is our education system and the publishing of league tables is, based on all the evidence from around the world, going to do tremendous lasting harm to the education of the children of New Zealand.

    Balancing those two very important things is not going to be easy. But if, for example, a school were to clearly articulate their reasons for breaking the law, as a protest against a damaging change to the education system ... then I tend to believe that such a protest action would be reasonable.

    I certainly don't dismiss the value of the OIA to New Zealand, far from it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I’d suggest they just obey the fucking law

    I think you might be missing the point that sometimes legitimate and valuable civil protest will break existing laws.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: And so it begins,

    A dog ate my league table

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Field Theory: Never alone with Metenolone, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Meanwhile, Eric Young is an unprofessional dick.

    It would be nice if some of these people could take a moment to consider that Nadzeya Ostapchuk might as much a victim in this as Valerie Adams.

    Valerie will get her gold. That doesn't ignore the sadness of not getting the gold awarded at the games.

    This will be the end of Nadzeya Ostapchuk's career.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

  • Field Theory: Never alone with Metenolone,

    Very little about this case makes much sense. As has been pointed out by everyone the steroid found in two samples is ridiculously easy to detect now. Nobody in the sport would imagine they could get away with using it. And yet the drug was definitely in her samples and her performances were unusual enough to create suspicion.

    It's sad for everyone involved.

    I'm happy the Val has been awarded the gold. But I can't say I really understand what happened, it would be nice if the media took a balanced attitude, but I guess balanced reporting doesn't sell papers - sigh.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4355 posts Report Reply

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