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it's about as different as it gets.
no, having your own site that people would gladly go to and purchase directly from it is as different as it can get.
going through an aggregator and a retailer is exactly the same as going through a distributor and a retailer, just different processes but same role essentially.
They're charging you for access to the customer, just like a shop did, they stand between you and your customer or they link you with your customer, depending on how you look at it. probably a little of both.
promoting your product in the new net 2.0 world is also similar. you just use different tools to fight for attention for your product, to draw attention to it over other products vying for the same dollar. that game has got bigger, more cluttered, but its the same process.
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That someone takes a cut is hardly a major point of similarity.
its the same cut. half the total take of an album sale, but not the same amount of money as before.
distro and retail cut on a cd of $29.95 = $15.53
label/artist $14.42distro retail on $18 download = $9
label/artist $9although you're pro the new system one major retailer is very very dangerous.
what if itunes aren't into your stuff, don't like your politics etc.
with stores you had in a town like chch with maybe 10 music stores 1-2 that would be tuned to your specific genre.you do have that to a degree in downloads but if the beatles have to think twice about not using itunes because people won't bother going to their store then thats a worrying trend.
There's a 50% increase in income direct to the owners of the copyright work if people deal direct. cutting ot the middle man of itunes.
there's also the issue of being found or noticed on itunes. that front page is only so big.
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ooh, so asking a question deemed by you to be inappropriate, means i "should sit this one out"?
nah, just the rudely phrased ones. no offense taken though.
I quite up on what aggrigators do, I have to deal with them, shop for a good one, they do offer different approaches -
and the investment for artist/small label hasn't?
you're missing the point.
the cost of a cd is a small part of the finished product equation,
high street rent, shelves, stock management, and the staff to do all that is a big part of the retail equation.
my point is the prices are getting kept high, and its more at the retail end.hello? do you know what an aggregator does?
do you?
an aggrigator presents items to retailers. essentially they're the distributor, like border or rhythm method.
My question which you don't appear to be able to answer was, do digital retailers stock everything they're offered? its possible for an aggrigator to take up any old artist that will pay them to do so (that's how some aggrigator deals work, you pay them to represent your work on a track flat fee basis).
Unless you're a digital retailer or have direct knowledge of an item you presented for retail that got turned down then maybe you should sit this one out.if stuff does get turned down then its same old same old. competing for shop space only this time its virtual hop space.
its interesting that there's resistance to seeing the new world of music distribution in comparison to old world and how in some areas its not that different at all.
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It's waaaay better than getting 20% of 75% of the 70% that Apple pays,
sure, if you compare it to major label suckers but I find the comparison to old model splits more interesting, as indicated by 'once again' at the end of the quoted sentence.
The new model of salvation takes 50% of thee cost of delivering an item from artist (or small label) to customer. This without having an actual physical stock item to manage.
compare that to $14.42 to artist/ small label retailing @ $29.95 ie approximately 50% again.
The split hasn't really changed but the investment for distributor and retailer has.As for better than getting stock into edgier stores. do itunes turn down anything? Surely they don't stock every home recorded cdr some deluded bedroom rock star makes?
Getting paid is indeed important. there's still plenty of time for them to mess that up.
Promoting the stuff is the easy and fun part.
ha! if only both parts of that sentence were true.
getting your best kept secret noticed above the noise floor of complete rubbish maybe indeed fun if you enjoy clawing your way through a crowd but it is by no means easy.
if it was easy everyone would be doing it successfully and if everyone was doing it successfully then we'd be back to a big wall of noise.
purely by the nature of how much music is being made and pushed on us we can not possibly digest it all so its a game of who you can push won in order to grt yours noticed ahead of theirs. With winners there have to be losers. That makes the game not easy. -
Short version: as an artist, you're much better off paying 20% to an aggregator than having your digital distribution rights with a major.
shorter version then,
digital retail takes 30 % (to itunes) plus 20 % to an aggrigator.(distributor).
at present its difficult to get past that. not really so good for the artist but great for the middle men once again. -
I'm having trouble taking any 'commentator' of the industry who doesn't know the basics,
I guess that leaves you in the room by yourself.
if he'd have said "at one time blah blah blah," would hat have made his statement correct?
Truth is many different media are bought up an owned by many of the same people, its hardly ground breaking news. and then some sewage company from france (or was it belgium) buys the lot.There is something to be taken from that point and that is that a battle between you tube (or myspace etc) and warner (or any other major) is one buy out away from being a family affair, if it isn't already. That's hardly a crap point and not grounds for dismissal although it does take away from the magical mystique of the media showground.
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Once again: Major-label NZ artists are represented to iTunes by their labels
what's the key point you're trying to get across with the "major label artist" part?
many major artists are represented to itunes by their labels through agrigators. they don't get to skip that stage. my example was arch hill who has bats, mcglashan kilgour etc. they're all getting the agrigator cut taken out of their pie.
is your point that the 4 majors act as their own agrigator and by pass that step?
I guess that would mean that most of the people who get to skip the agrigator part are on major label deals so most people are screwed either way, apart from ffd who's label deals direct.
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Major-label NZ artists are represented to iTunes by their labels,
who mostly go through agrigators.
arch hill go through iota.
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the thing you pointed out was that Murdoch had sold up. that doesn't negate the intent of the article.