Field Theory: A post about art (sort of)
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I do congratulate Richard Taylor on having an idea that makes the Wellywood sign seem desirable in comparison though.
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Gio: I think I vaguely remember the ad you're talking about. There's also this.
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There's also this.
If I may be allowed to cross threads for a moment, I propose an objective measure of the quality of a work of art: if it has the words "iconic" or "legacy" attached to it, it's crap.
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if it has the words "iconic" or "legacy" attached to it, it's crap.
Works for me; perhaps "celebration" as well.
I watched the video of Taylor introducing the work to the media, and noticed that the maquette rotates on a stand. I hope the finished work will do the same.
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Sue,
I watched the video of Taylor introducing the work to the media, and noticed that the maquette rotates on a stand. I hope the finished work will do the same.
but only rotated by wind... right ;)
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Gio: I think I vaguely remember the ad you're talking about. There's also this.
Why all the lineout art? It's not even our strong point. Could we have a statue of stoic defence?
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Works for me; perhaps "celebration" as well.
I think this one is going to be the celebration of an iconic legacy.
Why all the lineout art? It's not even our strong point.
It would if we were allowed to use the surging undead. Time for a new ELV?
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It would if we were allowed to use the surging undead. Time for a new ELV?
By the next World Cup Brad Thorn may have started looking like the undead, after all.
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Why all the lineout art? It's not even our strong point. Could we have a statue of stoic defence?
The scrum also rises...
...and noticed that the maquette rotates on a stand. I hope the finished work will do the same.
That's a roundabout way of saying
a Lazy Susan, right?
or was it a more streetwise invitation
to - "sit on it and rotate"?
... in the words of Jean-Luc Picard
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The Melbourne Cricket Ground has statues outside the stadium and I think it works well. They're an appropriate size (not 5m!!) and also make sense at that venue.
I know it doesn't do to be like Australia, but in this case, works for me..
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Another consideration about this sculpture; especially if it’s going to be put between pubs and the harbour.
It looks very climbable.
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Andrew Paul Wood said:
Would someone please explain to me why the fuck Weta is doing this and not an artist? Why is Weta taking bread out of the mouths of New Zealand’s sculptors with this unimaginative pseudo-Fascist tat? Sadly it appears that art in this country is getting assimilated into entertainment, which means New Zealand audiences and patrons are going to have some very strange expectations of our artists. I would rather see the most hackneyed Neil Dawson (a giant lacework rugby ball probably) than this uninspired piece of Hitleresque nonsense.
See, this annoys me, probably as much as Weta doing this sculpture annoys Mr Wood. He seems to have a built in assumption that getting a job that pays you to use your skills means you are no longer an artist.
I'm sure this likely offends many of the very talented visual artists who work at Weta.
I do hope Mr Wood realises that while starving in a garret may have created some great works of art it is not, in itself, a necessary condition for being an artist.
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I do hope Mr Wood realises that while starving in a garret may have created some great works of art it is not, in itself, a necessary condition for being an artist.
The likes of Andrew Drummond, Neil Dawson and Bill Culbert aren't exactly starving in garrets. They're just producing stuff that looks a lot more interesting than that Weta sculpture.
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The likes of Andrew Drummond, Neil Dawson and Bill Culbert aren't exactly starving in garrets. They're just producing stuff that looks a lot more interesting than that Weta sculpture.
I have no particular comment to make on the actual sculpture as presented, but the idea that the people working at Weta aren't artists is wrong. I know a couple of people who slaved away on the various movies and got their jobs precisely because they had fine art degrees.
No doubt because it's produced at Weta it might tend to be a certain style of artwork, but that doesn't mean it isn't done by an artist - Weta employs many.
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I have no particular comment to make on the actual sculpture as presented, but the idea that the people working at Weta aren't artists is wrong. I know a couple of people who slaved away on the various movies and got their jobs precisely because they had fine art degrees.
Possession of a fine arts degree is neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for being an artist.
Also, there's a difference between sculpture and set design. (Demarcation issues, as the guild of philosophers sez.)
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I know a couple of people who slaved away on the various movies and got their jobs precisely because they had fine art degrees.
I'm a sound artist, and I use the same set of skills in my day job as a sound engineer. Does that mean that, if I record a studio interview, that makes it a piece of art? Having a background as an artist does not mean that everything you produce is 'art'.
Weta Workshop are very good at what they do, but it still seems odd that the council would approach them first for a large-scale public sculpture. (Does anyone know, where did the idea come from in the first place?)
I wonder whether, for some on the Council, Weta Workshop, (and, presumable, Weta Digital, Park Road Post, etc.) are the total extent of Wellington's 'creative industry'. The creative community here extends well beyond that.
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Also, there's a difference between sculpture and set design. (Demarcation issues, as the guild of philosophers sez.)
Well, one of the people I'm thinking of spent about 10 years doing art work. Scuplture, painting etc. Like many artists, it was her full time hardly paid job on the side. She went to work for Weta because while a lot of the work wasn't strictly 'art', it was a chance to put her skills to work and actually get paid for it.
'Art' is a big tent, attempts to exclude people from it (particularly with quasi snobbery like people who make works for entertainment shouldn't also make public art works) are silly.
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So, is making models for movies 'art'?
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So, is making models for movies 'art'?
Well, it is one of the functions of an Art Department as is Set Construction and Decoration, Backdrops,the Props department and the like.
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is making models for movies 'art'?
Ah, but what is art? How can we define it? Are our definitons objective, or subjective? How do we tell what is 'good' art, and what is 'bad' art?
(running, hiding, etc)
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I don't mean the term 'art' to carry a value judgement here. But different categories of activity.
And 'Art Department' is a specialised and technical usage of the word 'art'.
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Ah, but what is art? How can we define it? Are our definitons objective, or subjective? How do we tell what is 'good' art, and what is 'bad' art?
Arrgrrrrrhh!!! Not that again. Too soon.
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'Art' is a big tent, attempts to exclude people from it (particularly with quasi snobbery like people who make works for entertainment shouldn't also make public art works) are silly.
It isn't snobbery. I wouldn't suggest that Bill Hammond make a sculpture on the basis of his paintings, because painting and sculpture are different.
I mean, of course things like set design can be art, see the current show at the Canterbury SOFA Gallery.
(It's a different argument from the one about fine arts degrees, which is merely that one can have one and not make art.)
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Isn't casting bronze statues as much a practical art as a conceptual thing. Weta have the practical knowledge in spades, and enough imagination in the ranks to pull this off as well as anyone.
Anyway, what's proposed is more a monument than a sculpture. Give this commission to a real artist and they might think about what the rugby world cup really means t us and make a giant bronze dog turd (or something).
IMHO any 5m edifice to rugby is plain tacky.
How about a bronze set of goal posts (complete with padding and someone diving in for a try kind of suspended along side one of them) as a gateway somewhere.
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"I know a lot about Art but I don't know what I like"
Rather than argue about it here why not LookIt Up
I had this discussion the other night with 3410
"Kiri Te Kinawa, or whatever her name is, is referred to as an artist, an opera singer but she writes no songs. Len Lye was known as an artist, a sculptor but many of his works were constructed by others." Discuss.
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