Field Theory: Cancellation Notice
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soooo... anyone believe her?
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OTOH... has the Dominion Post ever been right about anything?
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"dolphin v. pastry"
-I have a revered old old family receit for "dolphin pie" (and we aint talking mahimahi here. Or a French princeling.)
It may resolve argument... -
OTOH... has the Dominion Post ever been right about anything?
Fair call.
I’m just amazed they failed to bring Seripisos into the story somehow
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Cuba Street Carnival - clarification
For those not wishing to read the full version, I have a summary.
We won't be funding Carnival next year. But we're happy to spend $75k on setting up a pointless bureaucracy that will totally fail to hold a carnival.
Way to go.
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We won't be funding Carnival next year. But we're happy to spend $75k on setting up a pointless bureaucracy that will totally fail to hold a carnival.
Way to go.Then I ask, is that the fault of the council or the trust?
As for the DomPost, is there ever an easier story than "don't you hate the council?"
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don't you hate the council?
Maybe if it didn't consist of council officers with a middle-class, suburbanite agenda, a mayor with a middle-class, suburbanite agenda, and a couple of allegedly Green councillors who've been "assimilated" into the "constructive" side of council, then we wouldn't.
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I remember discussing the Cuba Street Carnival with Chris Morley-Hall when it was but a twinkle in his eye.
Having been involved with The Gathering for a few years by that point I knew how much effort, blood, sweat and tears it took to create a "happening" out of nothing - how much it took out of you and how long it could take to turn that twinkle of an idea into something real and tangible and successful.
I just want to say how much I admire Chris for having taken up the challenge and making the Cuba Street Carnival into the 150,000-people success it had become by 2009.
I'm not going to speculate on exactly why the Carnival has hit this bump in the road - the stories and reports don't make sense at the moment - there are obviously some big pieces of info missing, and I hope we get the opportunity to find out more soon.
Wellington Batucada, for example, probably wouldn't exist if it weren't for Chris and the Cuba Street Carnival. We originally formed in November 2001 to perform in the Carnival, and we've been a part of it ever since - and in the process have become a part of Wellington's culture in the same way as the Carnival has.
Events like the Rugby Sevens, the Cuba Street Carnival, the Wellington Festival of the Arts and the Fringe Festival are some of what makes Wellington such a special place to live. All those wonderful events bring colour and a little bit of magic to our city, and make it a place to be proud of.
Each of these events also creates its own little set of ripples in the Wellington pond which further enrich our city. Just as The Gathering inspired a whole generation of DJs and makers of electronica to come out of their bedrooms and into the light of live performance, so events like the Cuba Street Carnival provide a huge number of creative people with a wonderful, joyous, fantabulous excuse to push their creativity and their showmanship to new levels every two years.
The Batucada crew, for example, worked every day for two months on our float and our costumes for the 2009 event, and we start rehearsing our performance pieces months before the big day. It's always been a huge part of who we are and what we do.
Being a part of the Carnival (and winning the Supreme Award) has positive spin-offs for us too - our beginners' course that followed soon after the Carnival last year had more than three times as many participants as normal, and we've continued to get big numbers to our courses since then as well. We continue to grow and improve, and love what we do - and a lot of that is due to our ongoing participation in the Cuba Street Carnival.
Chris can be proud that he has made such a huge contribution to our performing arts culture over the past 10 years, just as we can be proud that our membership of Batucada brings colour to many events in and around the city throughout the year.
I'm completely gutted that there won't be another Carnival next year. I'm crossing my fingers and praying that this will be a temporary hiatus and that we'll all be back again with bells on in 2013 (if not sooner!)
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soooo... anyone believe her?
Any particular reason not to, except that she's an evil Tory bitch?
OTOH... has the Dominion Post ever been right about anything?
If Phil Kitchen wasn't in the habit of getting things right, he'd have put every paper he'd have single-handedly destroyed the media in this country years ago. And just to play the devil's advocate for a moment, ever seen a newspaper run a story where someone says "we didn't actually need, or deserve, that grant/budget increase -- and the world's not actually going to end"? As Hayden observed no media outlet has ever lost an audience by bagging City Hall -- hell, some of the most unsavoury press barons to ever suck down oxygen have made their fortunes that way.
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serious question: why does a special council-funded group need to stage the carnival?
especially if chris is still wanting to stage it (as suggested by his required $500k)?
all a bit strange really. i say less council, more party.
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Che, I suspect that a lot of the $500k is money that goes straight back to the council for "services", or pays for things that are required by council and government.
If you just announced the roads were closed and anyone trying to drive them would be blocked by 150,000 people in crazy costumes, then invited said people to come and party, you could probably have a pretty cheap event, with volunteer clear-up.
But the council insist on cones, bouncers, fences around any area where kids might come into contact with the Evil Drink, etc.
Cost of putting on Carnival: $50k
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Sue,
So how many people are speaking as the voice of the carnival?
chris is one, and he's the man with the vision and who i thought was the voice and force of the carnival
however now there is this new uber trust to look after carnival and fringe and becuase it's being set up = no carnival in 2011
then there is someone from the carnival board i think
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Sue, I think you have put your finger on what is troubling me about reports so far.
What is this trust exactly? Is it the same as the old Carnival Collective? What is the role of Chris MH, and of the other people quoted? Why are there such big discrepancies in various peoples' stories?
At this point I am quite cross, but I don't know where or who to direct this annoyance at -- except maybe the press.
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As an aside how much was the Hero Parade costing to put on if anybody can remember?
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As an aside how much was the Hero Parade costing to put on if anybody can remember?
Not much. I attended an Auckland City Council meeting in the newly opened Town Hall in the late 90s, where the agenda item was how much was Council going to support the Hero Parade.
They were asking for $10K, made up of donation in kind really, of barriers, and cleaning crews.
The Xian fundamentalists on Council weren't having a bar of it, but were outvoted at the last minute.
From memory most of the Hero Parades were only ever supported by private sponsors (Qantas for example), and Council only chipped in a minimal amount for street cleaning.
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But the council insist on cones, bouncers, fences around any area where kids might come into contact with the Evil Drink, etc.
Cost of putting on Carnival: $50k
Cost of nanny state: $450kThis carnival has run successfully previously with some council funding. It would be pretty presumptuous to say that the increase in costs of several hundred thousand is the result of the council, given that they've been involved previously. Evidence would be good.
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In regard to the $500,000 - it's a red herring and has now been retracted by KP.
Carnival's fate 'not council's fault':
She also retracted the council's earlier suggestion that Mr Morley-Hall had requested $500,000 for next year's carnival.
Instead, she said that no formal request for funding had been received by the council.
and Rugby didn't steal carnival cash - mayor
It has been reported that Mr Morley-Hall asked for $500,000 from the council for next year's carnival, but Ms Prendergast said that figure included a much wider range of events than the council and Cuba St Carnival Collective Trust had been discussing.
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I come from the point of view of having worked on smaller festivals and dance parties.
Basically, the carnival needs to provide organisation (telling people where to go for the parade) and stages for the bands. None of that is very expensive, especially if you get volunteers to help out. (If people start expecting to be salaried, of course, or if you hire a large paid crew, then costs will shoot up).
A stage and PA like the one on Swan Lane would be about $20k, max.
Apart from that, it's all the crowd control and enforcement that send the costs up.
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Marketing
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"big cost blowout" usually says two things to me:
1. price-gouging
2. bureaucrats.both of which this council seems to be very, very good at.
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Apart from that, it's all the crowd control and enforcement that send the costs up.
Which was a sizeable factor in Montreal 76's cost overruns, but an understandable one after the tragedies of the Munich '72 Massacre.
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Not only did Side-Show-Bob waste money buying the Ellerslie Flower Show (with little flowers & not at Ellersie) but now he's losing the money he wasted.
I really don't trust Side-show with figures and expect the picture is much worse.
I do hope he stands for the Auckland Mayoralty.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3779841/Ellerslie-International-Flower-Show-suffers-loss -
Just thinking, i have family who are CHCH ratepayers: how can we organise a 'boot-bob-out' movement?
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-I have a revered old old family receit for "dolphin pie" (and we aint talking mahimahi here. Or a French princeling.)
It may resolve argument...Sod the T-shirts, I'm holding out for the PAS cookbook.
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Islander, I've been told the co-ordination is coming up shortly.
His 1st move was to attacked the old and poor, by raising CCC-Housing rents. This was reversed by the Court. CCC has the 2nd largest assisted housing after Housing NZ.
Side-show has lost alot of the Blue & Blue Rinse support he was voted in with.
Good to see the $17Million Benificary David Henderson is in the Papers still showing who he has supported, Dave is reported to owe $69 Million & many of the massage parlours (whose buildings he owns through various companies) are up for sale.
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