Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

Read Post

Legal Beagle: He is Henry the Eighth, he is

197 Responses

First ←Older Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 Newer→ Last

  • George Darroch,

    And yet somehow I'm not moved by their plight.

    Me neither. A (for the most part) breathtakingly bad media environment is part of the landscape. There's nothing to be done about it, it's just something you work around and against.

    If that means you think they'll pillory you for this, you trust that the good people of Canterbury will be smart enough to know that you simply wanted good legislation, not something paved with good intentions.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston,

    Mmmm. Could they not even have managed an abstention? I mean, generally I think abstentions are a big wuss-out, but very occasionally they're the better part of valour.

    Yeah its somthing , how about just walking out of the house, or better take a lead from the Russians and start throwing eggs and smoke bombs.

    And where have the media been on this? It didn't even make the TV news tonight .

    Call me paranoid but on the day we legislated unbridled exec power they bring in the ACT clowns to distract us all.

    Northland • Since Nov 2006 • 510 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    The Greens were my default party (after Labour.)
    Not anymore.
    They've soiled their philosophical nest - and, I assume, for some unknown political advantage.
    Because, sure as shit, none of my Canterbury-based whanau are going to vote for them, in any way, again.
    Byebye Greens
    (sobs as she types that in.)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Richard Aston - it *could* be a Textor gameplan - but how do they get The Greens to play along?

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    And where have the media been on this? It didn't even make the TV news tonight .

    Bloody hell. I switched on to One about five minutes into the bulletin and assumed I'd missed it.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    And where have the media been on this? It didn't even make the TV news tonight .

    Politician says black is white, and all other politicians agree = No Story.

    Politician says black is white, and some other politician jumps up and says "No, you fool, it's purple!" = Story.

    The media seek fights, not truth.

    (with apologies to the few exceptions, who seem to be found on blogs, not in MSM newsrooms)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston,

    Richard Aston - it *could* be a Textor gameplan - but how do they get The Greens to play along?

    umm.. . get Russel to wave a flag about , that was a great distraction last time he did it.
    Oh forgive my cynicism but I can only hope that Russel is right when he said

    The in-depth analysis will hopefully follow from many quarters in the coming days

    , will it?

    Northland • Since Nov 2006 • 510 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Bloody hell. I switched on to One about five minutes into the bulletin and assumed I'd missed it.

    Sorry, it didn't fill the tits, arse, celebrity, crime, sport, or animal quotients. If Garrett had been caught naked together with Richie McCaw and humping a pig carcass, it would have been half the bulletin.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Rob Hosking weighs in.

    The way public issues are now played out in the media, with the emphasis on how people feel rather than on responses involving the critical engagement of the brain, has a lot to answer for.

    Television news, in particular, seems to require everyone to respond like self-dramatising emotionally incontinent teenagers. It is one of the least healthy aspects of our age.

    But we elect leaders to see beyond all that. We also elect them to have a sense of how decisions made now might be used and abused in the future.

    There is an ugly history, both in this country and elsewhere, of laws granting sweeping powers like these for one reason being abused down the track.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Yes, the media is just not interested in informing the people. If I knew nothing of this "Attack on Democracy" the TV News would have made me no wiser, all they were interested in was three strikes Garret.
    As Simon said "The media seek fights, not truth." they see only sensational scandal. Like John Stewart said "Ooh look, a squirrel"

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    This whole story seems a little surreal, as do a lot of the stories coming out of NZ at present. I am having slight trouble believing that I am not sleep reading all of this

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1027 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    It's interesting that in the Garrett case, there's no reporting that I can find online or recall of a name-suppressed person being prosecuted for passport fraud in 2005.

    Could all detail of the case have been suppressed? Could he have entered an early guilty plea and been quietly dealt with without attracting attention? Did the media and police, considering him to be a friend, assist him to keep the matter quiet? (The media often contest suppression orders when a notable person is involved, don't they?)

    Given Garrett has now voluntarily disclosed the details of his offending, can the suppression order be lifted and the court records perused, so the public can get an idea of what went on?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Garret would have been subject to section 19 of the Criminal Justice Act 1985 which prohibited publication of the offence and subsequent ruling. this has since been repealed. There is more to it than that but my dinner is ready.
    :-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Labour MP Brendon Burns blogs his perspective on passing the new law.

    There was little doubt Labour would support the bill. We all want to see a rapid reconstruction of Christchurch and wider Canterbury. That said, I voiced a sense of unease about legislation which provides sweeping powers to a government appointed commission and to the mayors of Christchurch, Waimakariri and Selwyn districts.

    It is less than six short months since the Government introduced similar rapid-fire legislation dealing with a Canterbury local body and the ‘need’ to do away with usual processes.

    ...

    I did challenge Gerry Brownlee in the chair in committee stages as Minister for Canterbury Earthquake Recovery on a number of issues. This was, after all, the only chance for we MPs, as representatives of the wider public, to ask any questions.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Garrett stuff on other thread

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Isabel Hitchings,

    We all want to see a rapid reconstruction of Christchurch and wider Canterbury.

    While a rapid reconstruction would be nice what I really want is a well-considered reconstruction. After spending the last week and a bit hugely grateful for well constructed buildings and resilient infrastructure I want to see a Christchurch that will do even better when the next big one comes.

    Christchurch • Since Jul 2007 • 719 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Gordon Campbell isolates some interesting key wording in the quake Act.

    The purpose clauses of the Act give some clue as to how this may play out..
    They enable “the relaxation or suspension of provisions in enactments that may divert resources away from the effort to efficiently respond to the damage caused by the Canterbury earthquake, minimise further damage; or may not be reasonably capable of being complied with, or complied with fully, owing to the circumstances resulting from the Canterbury earthquake.”

    Note those words: “efficiency” and “may not reasonably be complied with, or complied with fully.” They go to the heart of whether or not costs related say, to strengthening and saving a building (or demolishing it) are pursued – reasonably, and with regard to economic efficiency. To repeat: a ministerial decree will resolve the matter, without any ability for recourse to the courts.

    The clash between heritage imperatives and profitable development seems a reasonable fear.

    However - alongside the Human Rights Act not being exempted from interference by Brownlee - to me it sounds like insisting on disability access to buildings could be spurned on the false grounds of it being 'too hard' or 'too expensive' to comply in any rebuilding. Sadly this could have been an opportunity for improvement in many publicly-used places.

    Meanwhile trad left bloggers fantasise about Brownlee interfering with martial law or gay rights. Wrong target, folks. Look towards the Canterbury region's one in five disabled residents instead.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    That's an entirely reasonable point, Sacha.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Good point, Sacha. It was already easy enough for the Maranui Surf Club cafe in Wellington to rebuild without wheelchair access after their fire. It could now become the norm to ignore the requirements of the Building Act, the Disability Strategy and anything else that might cost developers money and time to implement.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3229 posts Report Reply

  • Andre,

    Private-public partnerships will be de rigeur and Canterbury residents will end up paying to use normal utilities for decades to come.

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 371 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I think it was TV1 news that pointed out this is just a test run of the changes to the national Building Code that this government is proposing - particularly around consent processes. Probably right about PPPs too, especially for public buildings like schools.

    Those of us in other parts of the country should not think this is just Christchurch's problem.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Have just done a search for "Canterbury Earthquake Response and Recovery Act" in Google News and it has come up with about 10 hits that have anything related to it. Only 2 come up with the exact phrase.

    Staggering.

    Edit: have also looked for "Bill" instead of "Act".
    Edit2: 4 come up with exact phrase with "bill"

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Gordon Paynter,

    In a bizarre way this is not unique. One remembers the US of A HoR fully supporting the Patriot Act.

    That may be what one remembers, but that is not what actually happened:

    Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
    Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)

    Source: Wikipedia or House vote data

    </pedant>

    Wellington • Since Dec 2007 • 21 posts Report Reply

  • Amy Gale,

    Passed the House on October 24, 2001 (Yeas: 357; Nays: 66)
    Passed the Senate on October 25, 2001 (Yeas: 98; Nays: 1)

    I <3 Russ Feingold. That is all.

    tha Ith • Since May 2007 • 471 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Sobering thought that NZ didn't have our own Feingold. Not one.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

First ←Older Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 Newer→ Last

Post your response…

Please sign in using your Public Address credentials…

Login

You may also create an account or retrieve your password.